[9/9/2009 10:44:50 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: even jii nahi.n is emphatic denial in fact more than what nahi.n alone stands for [9/9/2009 10:45:36 AM] Peter says: ah... ok... so not a softening at all, but a polite strong negative... [9/9/2009 10:46:10 AM] Peter says: "definitely not" [9/9/2009 10:47:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes and degree of stress on jii defines your irritation in going through this denial [9/9/2009 10:47:59 AM] Peter says: thanks ... well explained... [9/9/2009 10:48:13 AM] Peter says: (even I may understand it now... ;) [9/9/2009 10:48:35 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: may? [9/9/2009 10:49:16 AM] Peter says: I believe I do... but time and tide will reveal the reality of the matter... [9/9/2009 10:50:27 AM] Peter says: I am very happy with your explanation... I am sure I am very close to par with my understanding now... [9/9/2009 10:51:10 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: but jii nahi.n is safe anyway not obnoxious even when wife is probing your excursions [9/9/2009 10:51:25 AM] Peter says: LOL [9/9/2009 10:51:53 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: you are welcome [9/9/2009 10:53:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: jii haa.N is strong affirmative Yes [9/9/2009 10:54:12 AM] Peter says: Do I understand now? jii haa.N navneet jii.. [9/9/2009 10:54:19 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: while haa.N jii is normal Yes Sir [9/9/2009 10:54:52 AM] Peter says: ... so, could I have said?: jii haa.N jii. [9/9/2009 10:56:36 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Yes Ok but jii haa.N adds to your agony of denials when like your wife's sister adds in her bit to say that what her sister is saying about you having been seen with another woman is right [9/9/2009 10:59:15 AM] Peter says: "agony of denials" :) [9/9/2009 10:59:29 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: In India women and the children when called will say haa.N jii [9/9/2009 10:59:51 AM] Peter says: ... a very colourful phrase [9/9/2009 11:00:10 AM] Peter says: haa.N jii = yes sir [9/9/2009 11:01:26 AM] Peter says: The US, used to be very much that way, especially for children.. and still is somewhat to this day... ie. in the use of "sir". [9/9/2009 11:01:44 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: navneet........... like some one calls for me and I (child) am in the other room. So I will say- haa.N jii- Yes (sir) abhii aaya- I just come (and present my self to you) [9/9/2009 11:03:44 AM] Peter says: haa.N jii. abhii aaya हाँ जी। अभी आय [9/9/2009 11:04:20 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: haa.N jii. abhii aayaa- Sorry [9/9/2009 11:04:45 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aayaa- from aanaa- to come [9/9/2009 11:05:06 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: vah aayaa thaa [9/9/2009 11:05:16 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: papa kaa phone aayaa thaa [9/9/2009 11:05:18 AM] Peter says: aha... I at least understood that it was based on the right verb [9/9/2009 11:06:00 AM] Peter says: but google translated it as Yes. Now income [9/9/2009 11:06:03 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aaya-आय means income [9/9/2009 11:06:17 AM] Peter says: yes.. [9/9/2009 11:06:35 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aayakar vibhaag- Income tax Department [9/9/2009 11:07:30 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: kar means tax- kar also means 'you do' when said to some one younger or lower in status [9/9/2009 11:07:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yah kar- vo kar- do this, do that [9/9/2009 11:08:57 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: this kar to do is from the verb karanaa- to do. kar also means hand [9/9/2009 11:10:32 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap karo, tum karo, tu kar [9/9/2009 11:11:48 AM] Peter says: ok... "kar.." a well used word.. [9/9/2009 11:12:44 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n karuu.n? aur nahi.n to kya? tum nahi.n to aur phir kaun karegaa ise? Shouild I do? what then? If not you then who else will do it [9/9/2009 11:14:50 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aakar- after coming- shaam ko school se aakar tho.Dii der so jaayaa karo. In the evening after coming from the school, sleep for some time. [9/9/2009 11:15:53 AM] Peter says: (for ITRANS comparison to nagri mai.n karuu.n? aur nahi.n to kya? tum nahi.n to aur phir kaun karegaa ise? मैं करूं? और नहिं तो क्य? तुम नहिं तो और फिर कौन करेगा इसे? [9/9/2009 11:16:26 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: jaakar- after going( reaching your intended destination) vahaa.N jaakar nahaa lena- Take bath after reaching there [9/9/2009 11:17:27 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n karuu.n? aur nahii.n to kyaa? tum nahii.n to aur phir kaun karegaa ise? edited sir [9/9/2009 11:18:38 AM] Peter says: मैं करूं? और नहीं तो क्या? तुम नहीं तो और फिर कौन करेगा इसे? [9/9/2009 11:19:53 AM] Peter says: I use an automated process which (slowly) pastes the clipboard content... so I don't need to retype it all, and possibly make mistakes. [9/9/2009 11:21:45 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: my automated process doesn't work- In the morning it was getting toggled even, but now it is working in word file but not here in skype if I write it writes question marks [9/9/2009 11:21:47 AM] Peter says: ... and coverts the ITRANS to devanagari as it is being pasted. [9/9/2009 11:22:48 AM] Peter says: I mean I use another automated process on top of the HIndiTranslator (which is really a Transliterator, not a translator) [9/9/2009 11:22:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: now when it is working I can write in ITRANS and paste on skype [9/9/2009 11:23:33 AM] Peter says: Close it, and re-open it... (just the HindiTranslator)... [9/9/2009 11:25:00 AM] Peter says: I haven't used it in MS Word much.. [9/9/2009 11:25:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: अब देखो मैंने हिन्दी में लिखा है लेकिन मैं इसे वापिस आई ट्रांस कोड में नहीं बदल सकता [9/9/2009 11:25:44 AM] Peter says: :) [9/9/2009 11:26:26 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: but if I want my written code back, I can't [9/9/2009 11:26:46 AM] Peter says: aba dekho mai.nne hindii me.n likhaa hai lekina mai.n ise vaapisa aaii Traa.nsa koDa me.n nahii.n badala sakataa [9/9/2009 11:27:27 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I mean if I select the text and change font to any Roman font- it doesn't change [9/9/2009 11:27:29 AM] Peter says: ... with the trailing "a"-s [9/9/2009 11:28:26 AM] Peter says: As far as fonts are concerned, things are quite different these days. [9/9/2009 11:28:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: what trailing "a" - s ?? [9/9/2009 11:28:58 AM] Peter says: like aapa for आप [9/9/2009 11:29:27 AM] Peter says: In this window, and virtually everywhere in Windows.. you are dealing with Unicode ..not the old-style ANSI text system [9/9/2009 11:29:43 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: how did you change what I had written? should I try to paste it in notepad and see? [9/9/2009 11:29:58 AM] Peter says: it is the same... [9/9/2009 11:30:31 AM] Peter says: The key point here is: Unicode... [9/9/2009 11:31:02 AM] Peter says: A unified systerm of coding all the scripts in existance! [9/9/2009 11:31:38 AM] Peter says: The computer sees scripts as Unicode now [9/9/2009 11:32:34 AM] Peter says: the basic Roman script is 0-127 [9/9/2009 11:32:55 AM] Peter says: Devanagari is in a much higher range of values.. [9/9/2009 11:33:29 AM] Peter says: The extended Roman scripts .. ie. .European accented letters, etc are in a range 128-256 [9/9/2009 11:33:33 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes I understand but switching over is not smooth [9/9/2009 11:33:49 AM] Peter says: switching HindiWriter ? [9/9/2009 11:34:08 AM] Peter says: or changing fonts ? [9/9/2009 11:34:46 AM] Peter says: A font only relates to a specific range of values with the Unicode system [9/9/2009 11:35:13 AM] Peter says: it something is written in devanagari, it cannot accept a Roman font like Times New Roman [9/9/2009 11:35:51 AM] Peter says: only text like this can be switched from Arial to Times New Roman, etc... [9/9/2009 11:36:46 AM] Peter says: and even Krishna, and Shusha "devanagari" fonts are really based in the are owned by the normal Roman fonts.... Krishna and Shusha just look different.. [9/9/2009 11:36:47 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: no I meant changing over from roman fonts to unicode is no problem but Hindiwriter is [9/9/2009 11:37:06 AM] Peter says: How is it a problem? [9/9/2009 11:37:31 AM] Peter says: Do you mean the act of toggling it? [9/9/2009 11:37:58 AM] Peter says: or the fact that it gets itself cross-wired sometimes? [9/9/2009 11:39:43 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- toggling- sometime comes sometime doesn't and when Hindiwriter is working- you can't work on another page and write unicode- you have to close them all and start now. but if you are writing in unicode, you can continue to write on skype page or anywhere [9/9/2009 11:41:24 AM] Peter says: *just by the way.... you are always writing in unicode these days (almost always).. the basic Roman fonts are typically all Unicode now. [9/9/2009 11:42:08 AM] Peter says: I was having those problems.. but it seems to have settled... It doesn't seem to handle fast-switching from one window to another.. [9/9/2009 11:42:42 AM] Peter says: I have noticed that it "internal" working are quite slow.. much slower than Indic IME [9/9/2009 11:42:52 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: when I say unicode, I mean writing Hindi in Unicode [9/9/2009 11:43:04 AM] Peter says: ok.. [9/9/2009 11:44:26 AM] Peter says: If you can pinpoint the exact thig you are doing when the problem happens, it help to sort out the problem.... [9/9/2009 11:44:57 AM] Peter says: but for a start.. only use it in one program... eg a text editor.. [9/9/2009 11:45:09 AM] Peter says: and copy and paste the result here.. [9/9/2009 11:46:11 AM] Peter says: and when you have finished with the Devanagari keyboard, make sure you have switched back the English keyboard [9/9/2009 11:46:31 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am going for one inspection- I will note down my steps and tell you later- at this moment I am unable to switch over to Hindi unicode- see you later- Bye [9/9/2009 11:46:40 AM] Peter says: bye... [9/9/2009 3:16:36 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: Namakar ji [9/9/2009 3:43:44 PM] pitchiah_id says: (sun) [9/9/2009 3:45:11 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: This message has been removed [9/9/2009 6:31:43 PM] jayamurugank says: Hi room! Namaste :) [9/9/2009 6:32:25 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: Hello [9/9/2009 6:32:38 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Martin [9/9/2009 6:33:29 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: thanks [9/9/2009 6:34:13 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what was that message about martin4u99? Hello everyone [9/9/2009 6:34:44 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: Its was reading text for the different room Bakshi ji [9/9/2009 6:35:01 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: This message has been removed [9/9/2009 6:35:24 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Naveent ji [9/9/2009 6:35:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste [9/9/2009 6:35:36 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji [9/9/2009 6:36:01 PM] jayamurugank says: By mistake Martin has posted that message here and he has asked me to remove it.. [9/9/2009 6:36:21 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: sorry for that [9/9/2009 6:36:37 PM] jayamurugank says: that is okay..Martin... not a big deal [9/9/2009 6:37:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what is there to feel sorry for martin- I thought someone will attempt to translate it. [9/9/2009 6:37:45 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: it is a big deal here..... we have wonderful Hindi explanation in each and every line and that was disattraction there...... [9/9/2009 6:37:46 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: ol [9/9/2009 6:37:48 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: lol [9/9/2009 6:38:03 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: should I paste it again [9/9/2009 6:38:12 PM] jayamurugank says: :D [9/9/2009 6:38:20 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: :D [9/9/2009 6:40:24 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will be thrilled when someone from this chat group could translate it one day [9/9/2009 6:40:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: brb [9/9/2009 6:41:20 PM] Martin From India (flag:in) says: that will climbing mount Everest... in one go without a break.... we will try that [9/9/2009 6:56:05 PM] jayamurugank says: That is a long way.. may be in the future ..yes [9/9/2009 6:57:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shuru to karo [9/9/2009 6:57:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: All journeys start with a first step [9/9/2009 6:57:46 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, it is... [9/9/2009 6:58:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but I really appreciate the dedication of the people here [9/9/2009 6:58:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I hope the enthusiasm doesn't ebb [9/9/2009 7:02:02 PM] jayamurugank says: when we learn in groups, it is fun as well as educational... hope we can sustain our interest...With the help of you and some native people here.. hope we can learn well... and already we have made our first step ..... [9/9/2009 7:02:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: long strides you have made Jaya [9/9/2009 7:03:02 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks :) [9/9/2009 7:04:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But like martin was suggesting yesterday- speaking is important so try talking to each other especially here because one common transliteration code still is yet not a reality [9/9/2009 7:08:04 PM] jayamurugank says: I think we should equip oursleves with more basic stuff, before we start our conversational practice..my opinion is that we can start practising after a couple of months.. I think Peter also holds the same opinion [9/9/2009 7:09:16 PM] jayamurugank says: we are yet to understand the tenses completly. [9/9/2009 7:10:04 PM] jayamurugank says: I have some audio files which dowloaded from ispeakhinid.com, which often I listen to. [9/9/2009 7:12:18 PM] Peter says: Hi Navneet jii, and all.... ... To put in my two cents worth... I hold that opinion for me, but that is just me.... everyone has their own pace... [9/9/2009 7:12:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But you have to get over your hesitations, we Indians have it rather more pronounced [9/9/2009 7:15:40 PM] jayamurugank says: yes :) [9/9/2009 7:17:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Have you heard non English speaking foreigners (asians)? They flaunt their atrocious English while we stammer even with our M.A. degrees tucked in our shirts [9/9/2009 7:19:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: we fear the ridicule which largely comes from our haughty city bred cousins [9/9/2009 7:19:58 PM] Peter says: Wow ... Things are lively tonight ;) [9/9/2009 7:20:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so we can read English and write English but can't get rid off our yems and yels [9/9/2009 7:21:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: because we don't speak English and a country bumpkin after a year in US picks up a slang we long to acquire all life but can't [9/9/2009 7:23:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Have you heard a Phillipino karaoke to the tunes of an English song? You can't understand what he says, nor does he, but does he care? No but you do and you always will [9/9/2009 7:26:33 PM] jayamurugank says: no, I haven't heard of Phillipino's karoke. I am very fond of Hindi movie songs. One of the reasons I started learning Hindi was to understand the lyrics of Hindi songs. [9/9/2009 7:28:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Karaoke means to sing along Jaya and it is very popular with Phillipinoes. What I mean to say is the earlier we shed our hesitation, the better it will be [9/9/2009 7:29:33 PM] Sompong says: namaste [9/9/2009 7:30:02 PM] Sompong says: Can you open the conference room tonight, Jayan? [9/9/2009 7:30:20 PM] Sompong says: I would like to listen to Navneet speaking. [9/9/2009 7:30:31 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: Why do u guys not use the conf. room [9/9/2009 7:30:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: good question- how is it done Jaya? [9/9/2009 7:31:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: let's go there right now for a while [9/9/2009 7:31:07 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: its easier to learn the language by speaking instead of just texting [9/9/2009 7:31:15 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: (skype) [9/9/2009 7:31:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: very true [9/9/2009 7:31:47 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: what u do in 30 min can be done in 10 min [9/9/2009 7:31:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what's this skype logo doing here? [9/9/2009 7:32:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but people have to take their time- it's easy for so many visitors because everyone can't write that fast [9/9/2009 7:33:04 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: since speech is a important form of communicating [9/9/2009 7:33:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so let's go there for a while and everyday go there for at least ten minutes to speak all the words learnt being spoken [9/9/2009 7:34:14 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: Navneet thats a good idea [9/9/2009 7:34:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chalo phir abhii chale.n [9/9/2009 7:35:06 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: I appreciate what u and peter are doing here [9/9/2009 7:35:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: thanks [9/9/2009 7:35:41 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste sompong :) [9/9/2009 7:35:46 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: to teach the Hindi language to our friends around the globe [9/9/2009 7:35:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but if we don't speak the purpose of all this will be defeated [9/9/2009 7:36:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: friends, the word doesn't know any borders Tiger [9/9/2009 7:36:41 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: Yes [9/9/2009 7:36:53 PM] Sompong says: Now it is time studying English, isn't it? [9/9/2009 7:37:12 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: :D [9/9/2009 7:37:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no it is only for learning Hindi here [9/9/2009 7:37:20 PM] jayamurugank says: My connection is very very bad today. I keep coming and going out of the room. But the conference is open 24*7 [9/9/2009 7:37:43 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: Please continue with your topic now [9/9/2009 7:38:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Just for once, let me know how to go there Jaya- I will go there and come back. can we be there and here simultaneously? [9/9/2009 7:39:44 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: yes u can be in the voice and text at the same time [9/9/2009 7:40:01 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: click on the above no. [9/9/2009 7:40:08 PM] jayamurugank says: +9900827044884586 [9/9/2009 7:40:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK then [9/9/2009 7:40:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Is anyone else coming there? [9/9/2009 7:42:20 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: 8-) [9/9/2009 7:42:32 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: nice to see every one [9/9/2009 7:42:34 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: here [9/9/2009 7:43:47 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: I think concept will work out very well [9/9/2009 7:44:00 PM] !!!!**** Tiger11831****!!!! says: a voice conf [9/9/2009 7:50:16 PM] jayamurugank says: [9:57:30 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum use jaanate ho? Do you know him? jii nahi.n [9/9/2009 7:55:20 PM] jayamurugank says: Anjali आपका नाम क्या है? aapakaa naam kyaa hai? What's your name? Madhuri मेरा नाम माधुरी है। और आपका? meraa naam maadhurii hai. aur aapakaa? My name 's Madhuri. And yours? Anjali मेरा नाम अन्जलि है। meraa naam anjali hai. My name is Anjali. Madhuri क्या आप ठीक हैं? kyaa aap Thiik hai.n? Are you OK? Anjali जी हाँ, शुक्रिया, मैं ठीक हू। jii haa.N, shukriyaa, mai.n Thiik huu.N. Yes, thankyou, I'm OK. Madhuri आप थकी नहीं हैं? aap thakii nahii.n hai.n? You 're not tired? Anjali जी नहीं, मैं ठीक हूँ। आप कैसी हैं? jii nahii.n, mai.n Thiik huu.N. aap kaisii hai.n? No, I'm OK. How are you? Madhuri मैं भी ठीक हूँ। mai.n bhii Thiik huu.N. I'm OK too. Anjali क्या यह कोट आपका है? kyaa yah koT aapakaa hai? Is this coat yours? Madhuri जी नहीं, यह मेरा नहीं है। jii nahii.n, yah meraa nahii.n hai. No, it's not mine. Anjali क्या यह मोहन का है? kyaa yah mohan kaa hai? Is it Mohan's? Madhuri जी नहीं, यह मोहन का भी नहीं है। jii nahii.n, yah mohan kaa bhii nahii.n hai. [9/9/2009 8:01:57 PM] jayamurugank says: jayan, naveent, peter, sompong [9/9/2009 8:32:52 PM] jayamurugank says: good session.. [9/9/2009 8:32:53 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks [9/9/2009 8:34:14 PM] Sompong says: bahut shukriya [9/9/2009 8:35:47 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/9/2009 11:07:11 PM] jayamurugank says: [6:57:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shuru to karo shuru = begin karo = do what is the meaing of "to" here? [9/9/2009 11:21:30 PM] jayamurugank says: http://www.baraha.com/ [9/10/2009 12:23:09 AM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [9/10/2009 6:36:50 PM] jayamurugank says: . [9/10/2009 6:55:43 PM] jayamurugank says: aap sab ko namaste :) [9/10/2009 6:57:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hello Jaya [9/10/2009 6:57:44 PM] jayamurugank says: namaste Navneet ji :) [9/10/2009 7:00:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: you had asked a very good question and I was thinking how to explain to you the usage of 'to' so let's try to clarify it's usage without going in to it's grammatical definition etc. It's called avyaya, if you must know and there are many such significant small words in Hindi [9/10/2009 7:02:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: firstly, it can be used where then is used in English [9/10/2009 7:03:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: It will be used in 'if this than this' situations [9/10/2009 7:03:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: It is also used for emphasis, like I used it above [9/10/2009 7:04:52 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the correct English translation of this sentence? shuru to karo.. [9/10/2009 7:05:52 PM] jayamurugank says: start to do things (correct?) [9/10/2009 7:06:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shuru karo- you start, shuru to karo- you start (atleast)... don't hesitate, we will se what happens next [9/10/2009 7:06:54 PM] jayamurugank says: yes.. I understand. [9/10/2009 7:07:49 PM] jayamurugank says: could you please make a couple of MORE SIMPLE sentences using .. to? [9/10/2009 7:08:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: pahale hindi siikhnaa shuru to karo apane aap aasaan lagane lagegii- First start learning hindi, it will seem easier by itself [9/10/2009 7:10:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum gaanaa shuru to karo, bol (lyrics) main bataa rahuu.Ngaa- You start singing the song, I will keep telling you the lyrics [9/10/2009 7:13:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum us se baat to karo phir pataa chalegaa ki vo tumhe.n chahtii hai ki nahii.n- You talk to her atleast, only then will we know whether she likes(loves) you or not [9/10/2009 7:14:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum ball phe.nko to sahii wo hit maregaa to dekhe.nge [9/10/2009 7:15:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: There are many uses of 'to' we will see them one by one- first you get the grip of this [9/10/2009 7:16:18 PM] jayamurugank says: you have alread used it in many sentences.. :) [9/10/2009 7:16:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but they are all showing one use of 'to' [9/10/2009 7:17:12 PM] jayamurugank says: You can say yahaan to baRRi chor bazaari hai- There's alot of swindling here. [9/10/2009 7:17:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes perfectly alright [9/10/2009 7:18:13 PM] jayamurugank says: that is from the history.. your sentence [9/10/2009 7:18:20 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 7:19:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no problem still- tumse to baat tak nahi.n hoti us se, pyaar kyaa karoge- You can't even talk to her- what will you love her [9/10/2009 7:20:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum aaoge to ham picture dekhane chalei.nge [9/10/2009 7:21:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: to tum ho in ke ring leader- So you are their ring leader [9/10/2009 7:22:36 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/17/2009 7:52:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: meri to legs mein walk karne ke baad bahut pain hota hai. My legs pain a lot after a walk.. What do you say to that Peter- but this is how many people even my wife will talk to me Peter says: [9/10/2009 7:24:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sachin ko out kar ke dikhaao to ham tumhei.n jaane- Take Sachin's wicket then we will acknowledge you. [9/10/2009 7:26:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ab to gaa.Dii chhuut gayii ab jaldii karne se kyaa faayadaa- The train has already left, what good it is too hurry now [9/10/2009 7:40:41 PM] jayamurugank says: dhanyavaad.. trying to get the grip of it.. :) [9/10/2009 7:41:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will get up for dinner meanwhile [9/10/2009 7:42:18 PM] jayamurugank says: Bon appetit :) [9/10/2009 7:42:32 PM] Peter says: (coffee) :) [9/10/2009 7:43:25 PM] Sompong says: Namaste [9/10/2009 7:44:22 PM] Sompong says: I am busy translating Navneet's Hindi [9/10/2009 7:44:44 PM] Sompong says: :) [9/10/2009 7:46:06 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste sompong :) [9/10/2009 8:08:26 PM] jayamurugank says: kya main tumhari pani lava sakta hoon = can I get water for you [9/10/2009 8:38:47 PM] jayamurugank says: John bahut chatur hai = John is very clever [9/10/2009 8:59:08 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/14/2009 9:46:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kiske liye? For whom? [9/10/2009 8:59:40 PM] jayamurugank says: kiske liye ~~~~ nice word [9/10/2009 9:01:48 PM] jayamurugank says: kiss samay = at what time [9/10/2009 9:57:16 PM] 1nicechat says: namaste [9/10/2009 9:58:41 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) [9/10/2009 9:59:06 PM] 1nicechat says: jayaaaa :) [9/10/2009 9:59:15 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 9:59:22 PM] 1nicechat says: aap kaise hain [9/10/2009 10:00:04 PM] jayamurugank says: mein theek hoon [9/10/2009 10:00:12 PM] 1nicechat says: aap [9/10/2009 10:00:16 PM] jayamurugank says: aap kaiseen hoon?> [9/10/2009 10:01:22 PM] 1nicechat says: dc [9/10/2009 10:03:21 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 10:03:27 PM] jayamurugank says: welcome back [9/10/2009 10:03:43 PM] 1nicechat says: mein achhi hoon shukriya [9/10/2009 10:03:47 PM] 1nicechat says: :) [9/10/2009 10:03:54 PM] jayamurugank says: (y) [9/10/2009 10:04:04 PM] 1nicechat says: where have you been jaya , I havnt see ya around skype these days [9/10/2009 10:04:56 PM] jayamurugank says: I come here daily.. but I went to bed a bit early for the past 3 days. [9/10/2009 10:05:38 PM] 1nicechat says: aha , ok :) [9/10/2009 10:05:59 PM] 1nicechat says: what are you doing now ? [9/10/2009 10:06:21 PM] jayamurugank says: hehe..kind of multitaking [9/10/2009 10:06:26 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 10:06:32 PM] 1nicechat says: eheee jaya [9/10/2009 10:06:36 PM] 1nicechat says: as usual [9/10/2009 10:06:45 PM] jayamurugank says: yes. :) [9/10/2009 10:07:06 PM] 1nicechat says: whos making you multitasking ha [9/10/2009 10:07:07 PM] 1nicechat says: [9/10/2009 10:07:24 PM] jayamurugank says: multi = many [9/10/2009 10:07:26 PM] jayamurugank says: lol [9/10/2009 10:08:07 PM] 1nicechat says: yeah I know multi , I think there is someone whos making your more busy [9/10/2009 10:08:11 PM] 1nicechat says: (chuckle) [9/10/2009 10:08:56 PM] jayamurugank says: too many people make me too busy [9/10/2009 10:09:00 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 10:09:03 PM] 1nicechat says: ehee jaya [9/10/2009 10:09:13 PM] jayamurugank says: :D [9/10/2009 10:09:17 PM] 1nicechat says: dont try to escape [9/10/2009 10:09:19 PM] 1nicechat says: [9/10/2009 10:11:34 PM] jayamurugank says: got disconnected and I am back now. [9/10/2009 10:12:17 PM] 1nicechat says: welcome back jaya [9/10/2009 10:15:40 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks [9/10/2009 10:17:11 PM] 1nicechat says: yw [9/10/2009 10:19:48 PM] jayamurugank says: Vaham mussam kaisa hai? (Is the weather good there?) [9/10/2009 10:21:11 PM] 1nicechat says: ty [9/10/2009 10:25:50 PM] 1nicechat says: have to go now jaya [9/10/2009 10:25:54 PM] 1nicechat says: see ya later [9/10/2009 10:25:57 PM] 1nicechat says: bfn [9/10/2009 10:27:38 PM] Peter says: Hello jayam... [9/10/2009 10:28:28 PM] Peter says: Do you know what the difference between "kaisa" and "kaise" is ? [9/10/2009 10:29:02 PM] Peter says: I don't... [9/10/2009 10:29:28 PM] jayamurugank says: bye zana... see you later [9/10/2009 10:31:49 PM] jayamurugank says: in fact, when we started learning at this page someone told.. ...kaisa for male kaiseen for female.... maybe not the correct spelling.. [9/10/2009 10:32:12 PM] Peter says: I just found a reference to a difference, but I have no real idea what it means... [9/10/2009 10:32:23 PM] Peter says: —kaise (obl. of kaisaa) [9/10/2009 10:32:39 PM] Peter says: obl. = the oblique case... [9/10/2009 10:33:03 PM] Peter says: I see many references to the "oblique" case.. [9/10/2009 10:33:49 PM] Peter says: but it is a mystery, so far... (English does not have this "oblique" case,, I read that soemwhere... [9/10/2009 10:39:09 PM] jayamurugank says: I see [9/10/2009 10:57:46 PM] jayamurugank says: In Tamil also, we have similar structures as that of in Hindi. kaisa kiaseen.. depends on the gender...things change [9/10/2009 11:00:59 PM] Peter says: ok.... (it will all fall into place one day.... [9/10/2009 11:01:39 PM] jayamurugank says: If we switch over to the Devanagari scirpt ...eveything willl be clear [9/10/2009 11:01:41 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/10/2009 11:01:50 PM] Peter says: not really... [9/10/2009 11:02:20 PM] Peter says: you still need to spell it correctly... [9/10/2009 11:02:31 PM] jayamurugank says: I mean ... some confusions which are caused by loose spellings.. [9/10/2009 11:04:32 PM] Peter says: I think that many native hindi speakers who use devanagari will know if a word is correct when they see it in devnagari, but there is no standard using the Roman script, so "anything goes" .... [9/10/2009 11:05:08 PM] Peter says: and that spells c-h-a-o-s. [9/10/2009 11:05:26 PM] jayamurugank says: :D [9/10/2009 11:05:32 PM] Peter says: It is hard learning a language from the SMS end... [9/11/2009 8:36:37 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello- hailo ....everyone kaise is an oblique case of kaisa which means how mausam kaisa hai? How's the weather tum kaise ho? How are you? ve kaise hai.n- How are they? tum kaisii ho? How are you? (fem.) aap kaise hai.n? How are you respectful aap kaise aaye?- How have you come? vo kaisaa aadamii hai? What kind of a man is he? aap kaisii hai.n? Singular(plural) respectful for female(s) [9/11/2009 8:39:15 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n kaise aauu.N? How should I come? ham kaise aaye.n? How should we come? [9/11/2009 8:51:15 AM] Peter says: namaste Navneet jii [9/11/2009 8:51:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste [9/11/2009 8:52:45 AM] Peter says: If you want to, and have the time, we can "voice" about the computer issue... [9/11/2009 8:55:04 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: regarding my computer problesm you mean? [9/11/2009 8:55:26 AM] Peter says: yes [9/11/2009 8:58:21 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I found the problem is with Firefox because when I switched over to Explorer, I could open the Bank statement page and others, I wasn't able to open with F.F. but now I want to ask you can I shift my Bookmarks from FF to Explorer and whether they will be lost if I re-install FF? [9/11/2009 9:02:00 AM] Peter says: sorry ... telephone... finished now... One of the reasons Firefox is "safer" than Internet Explorer (not "Explorer"... Explorer=Windows Explorer... which is different from Internet Explorer) [9/11/2009 9:03:02 AM] Peter says: one reason FF is safer is that it does not allow some of the automatic (and possible dangerous) features of Internet Explorer (IE) [9/11/2009 9:03:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: how to save bookmarks if they will be lost, if I uninstall and reinstall FF [9/11/2009 9:04:09 AM] Peter says: FF bookmarks are easy to save in a destination of your own choice.. [9/11/2009 9:04:39 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: how do we do it? [9/11/2009 9:06:03 AM] Peter says: Go to the Firefox menu --> Bookmarks --> Organize Bookmarks.... [9/11/2009 9:07:01 AM] Peter says: ... and then click on "Import and Backup" [9/11/2009 9:07:49 AM] Peter says: select "backup" (or "Export Html") I would do both... [9/11/2009 9:09:44 AM] Peter says: and choose your destination wisely.. ie.. YOU choose where you save them to.. don't just accept the first place which is presented to you..... navigate to a suitable.. you are a sea-faring man... I'm sure you understand navibation...