[9/6/2009 6:32:29 PM] jayamurugank says: yummy yummy [9/6/2009 6:33:04 PM] jayamurugank says: der ho rahi ha [9/6/2009 6:33:16 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the meaing of this sentence? [9/6/2009 6:33:34 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Dar or der ho rahi hai = getting late . [9/6/2009 6:33:54 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mujhe office jane mai der ho rahe hai. [9/6/2009 6:35:13 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the meaning of this Koyee hai? [9/6/2009 6:35:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aap ko der kyo lag raha hai message type karne mai. [9/6/2009 6:35:37 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Koyee hai ?? someone there ? [9/6/2009 6:36:09 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Koyeee hai kya is room mai/ [9/6/2009 6:38:37 PM] jayamurugank says: Agar aap vartalaap se chale gyae ho to phir dubara chat kareinge can you breakdown this sentence.. word by word? [9/6/2009 6:39:20 PM] Sompong says: namaste [9/6/2009 6:39:32 PM] jayamurugank says: namaste sompong :) [9/6/2009 6:41:22 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Agar= if . Aap= you . Vartlaap se =from chat. chale gaye = go...... to = then . phir= again. dubura = again. . chat kareinge = chatgain [9/6/2009 6:41:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: If you go out of this chat than we will talk chat again [9/6/2009 6:42:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Sompong ji [9/6/2009 6:43:43 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Vartlaap = voice chat [9/6/2009 6:44:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: kya aap mujhe Vartlaap karenge..... [9/6/2009 6:46:17 PM] jayamurugank says: dhanyawaad :) [9/6/2009 6:46:39 PM] 1nicechat says: dhanyawaad :) [9/6/2009 6:46:44 PM] 1nicechat says: hiyaa jayaa [9/6/2009 6:46:48 PM] 1nicechat says: how are you mate [9/6/2009 6:46:53 PM] jayamurugank says: hi zana [9/6/2009 6:47:02 PM] jayamurugank says: I am pretty good, thanks. How about you? [9/6/2009 6:47:14 PM] 1nicechat says: Im ok too , thanks :) [9/6/2009 6:47:36 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: How are you my 1 nice chat [9/6/2009 6:47:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: how are you? [9/6/2009 6:47:47 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: nice to see you after so many days [9/6/2009 6:48:03 PM] 1nicechat says: your 1 nice chat is fine thanks [9/6/2009 6:48:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: where have you been for so long 1nice chat .?? [9/6/2009 6:48:25 PM] 1nicechat says: in the forest lol [9/6/2009 6:48:53 PM] 1nicechat says: (chuckle) [9/6/2009 6:48:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: why did you go alone . you should ask me I can a company you ! [9/6/2009 6:49:40 PM] 1nicechat says: I was in hurry [9/6/2009 6:49:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hmmmmm [9/6/2009 6:49:53 PM] 1nicechat says: it will be invitation n ext time [9/6/2009 6:49:56 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sure [9/6/2009 6:50:32 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ok we have to stop typing here. Mr. Bakshi will see that we have learnt today...... so bye from here [9/6/2009 6:50:43 PM] 1nicechat says: ok Martin [9/6/2009 6:52:01 PM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [9/6/2009 6:52:09 PM] jayamurugank says: it was raining heavily in the moring please write this sentence in Hindi [9/6/2009 6:56:36 PM] Sompong says: Shubh veh bahut barish mein raha tha [9/6/2009 6:57:23 PM] Sompong says: Am I correct? [9/6/2009 6:57:30 PM] jayamurugank says: not sure either [9/6/2009 6:57:32 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/6/2009 7:01:24 PM] jayamurugank says: aap kya chahhiya = what do you want? [9/6/2009 7:36:48 PM] jayamurugank says: kab = when [9/6/2009 8:21:22 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Shubh se bahut barish ho rahee hain, [9/6/2009 8:22:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: it was raining heavily in the morning [9/6/2009 8:22:48 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: kya abhi bhi barish ho raheee hai. [9/6/2009 8:22:48 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: it still raining Jayam ji [9/6/2009 8:23:17 PM] jayamurugank says: nahi.N [9/6/2009 8:23:57 PM] jayamurugank says: abhi barish ho nahi.N hai [9/6/2009 8:24:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that means its not raining now [9/6/2009 8:24:21 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: wow [9/6/2009 8:24:23 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: (clap) [9/6/2009 8:24:36 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/6/2009 8:38:43 PM] Sompong says: to take=? [9/6/2009 8:40:51 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/7/2009 8:39:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: similar- pana, lana, ana, compound le-jana, pahunchana [8/7/2009 8:40:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: GaRRi ttheek terah se le-jana. Take the car carefully [8/7/2009 8:41:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Bachche ko ghar pahu.nchana- Reach the child home [8/7/2009 8:42:39 PM] jayamurugank says: terah se le-jana matlab? [8/7/2009 8:43:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: le- jana means "take" [8/7/2009 8:44:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: jana means to go and lekar means to carry along- shortened as le-jana [9/6/2009 8:44:39 PM] Sompong says: shukriya [9/6/2009 8:54:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Shukriya jayam [9/6/2009 8:55:10 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 6:30:31 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: When I click on Show messages from: Today/This week- the window remains blank. Can you help- Peter/Jay? [9/7/2009 6:32:16 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- It's come- let me check yesterday's conversation. [9/7/2009 6:39:11 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mein acchaa hoon. main achchhaa hoo.N- I think we must start using one uniform transliteration code, otherwise we won't ever know if we are speaking and writing the word correctly. [9/7/2009 6:54:53 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste log namaste logo/dosto- actually it should be aap logo.n ko namaste but among friends namaste logo is ok though namaste dosto or namaste mitro makes more sense because "log" means people in general and does not convey the sense of belonging as the words dosto or mitro do. [9/7/2009 9:50:38 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n achchii hoo.N [9/7/2009 9:52:39 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap sabhi ko kahan par hain- wrong aap sab kahaa.N hai.n/ho or aap sab kahaa.N par hai.n/ho [9/7/2009 9:53:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa aap yahaa.N hai.N- correct, good [9/7/2009 9:56:48 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Yes, Peter- we can never address our elders by their names in the first place if they are related and if not then we must use Jee with their names when we address them. Otherwise it will be considered highly disrespectful and taken as a sign of uncultured grooming [9/7/2009 10:00:23 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: As a mark of humility it can be used for all but however, using it for children is a kind of going too far, unless when grooming them but otherwise for all pepole of your age, your colleagues, friends elders, you ought to respect for on account of their position, status, knowledge or age. [9/7/2009 10:05:44 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n thakaa hua hoo.N, mai.n thak gaya hoo.N- hua is indicative of something which is past. As in English too we say I am tired which is a past tense of tire. [9/7/2009 10:12:54 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa yah aap ki kalam hai? Does this pen belong to you? kii is used for belonging- uskii, inkii, unkii but not mujhkii- for mine the word is merii. uskii bahan, meri maa.N, inke pitaajee, unkii gaa.Dii [9/7/2009 10:15:34 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: abhii yahaa.N par bahut baarish ho rahii hai- I think I had discussed earlier why rahii with baarish is more appropriate while with dhuup it is not necessary [9/7/2009 10:15:59 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: **abhi yaha.N par bahut dhoop hai = it is very sunny here. Correct- excellent Jay [9/7/2009 10:19:00 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut bhookh lagii hai, pe.D par bahut se phal lage hai.n [9/7/2009 10:20:22 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yahaa.N bahut log hai.n or yahaa.N bahut se log hai.N or yahaa.N par bahut se log hai.N [9/7/2009 10:22:55 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am very angry- mai.n bahut gusse mei.n hoo.N (in anger). tumse mai.N bahut gussaa/gusse hoo.N- I am very angry/annoyed with you. [9/7/2009 10:23:19 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Mujhe Bahut Gussa Aa raha hai.- This is correct [9/7/2009 10:27:49 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Martin... Dont we need to use hai.N at the end of the sentence? No hai.N is used for plural (Jay how do you quote from previous inputs ?) mujhe bahut chhii.nke.n aa rahii hai.n- ( I am getting many sneezes) [9/7/2009 10:53:53 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n abhii aatii hoo.N- I just come. [9/7/2009 11:15:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: abhi barish ho nahi.N hai- this is not correct abhii baarish nahi.n ho rahii hai [9/7/2009 11:17:36 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sompong- word for 'to take' is lena- mujhe apnii baho.n me.n le lo- take me in your arms [9/7/2009 11:25:02 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa yah aap kii kalam hai? Corrected- kii (belongs to) ki means 'that' usne kahaa ki vah nahi.n aa sakataa- He said that he can't come. [9/7/2009 12:32:53 PM] Thilini says: eppadi sugam? [9/7/2009 12:35:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hello thilini- can't understand 'eppadi' but sugam in Hindi means easy and here too, I think is what it stands for [9/7/2009 12:35:42 PM] Thilini says: ;) thats tamil. [9/7/2009 12:36:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so what s eppadi? [9/7/2009 12:36:17 PM] Thilini says: how? [9/7/2009 12:37:10 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Oh good. In Hindi we will say ati saral, ati sugam or bahut aasaan [9/7/2009 12:37:49 PM] Thilini says: eppadi Sugam? = How are you? [9/7/2009 12:40:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kaise ho? mai.n Thiik hoo.n- I am alright [9/7/2009 12:41:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: eppadi Sugam- it was nowhere near my guess [9/7/2009 12:42:41 PM] Thilini says: Yeah I know [9/7/2009 12:43:02 PM] Thilini says: Aap kaisa Hai Bakshi?' [9/7/2009 12:44:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kaise hai.n or aap kaise ho? I have replied to above [9/7/2009 12:44:42 PM] Thilini says: :) [9/7/2009 3:00:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar [9/7/2009 3:19:12 PM] Lucka says: Namaste (F) [9/7/2009 3:21:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aap log kaise hoo? [9/7/2009 3:21:41 PM] Lucka says: main achi hoon.... [9/7/2009 3:21:48 PM] Lucka says: aur aap kaise han? [9/7/2009 3:21:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein bhi accha hoo. [9/7/2009 3:22:41 PM] Lucka says: thatś all what I know in Hindi (chuckle) [9/7/2009 3:27:02 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/7/2009 4:49:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste martin and fialova [9/7/2009 5:33:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Bakshi ji [9/7/2009 7:07:09 PM] jayamurugank says: Hi everyone! (wave) [9/7/2009 7:07:55 PM] jayamurugank says: Thanks a lot for the explanation..Naveeet ji :) [9/7/2009 7:11:50 PM] jayamurugank says: [10:27:49 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Martin... Dont we need to use hai.N at the end of the sentence? No hai.N is used for plural (Jay how do you quote from previous inputs ?) As I have done here now,you can copy the content in the message writing window and then you can write your views. [9/7/2009 7:34:15 PM] jayamurugank says: ye kalam kii kimat kithna rupee hai? = How much does this pen cost? [9/7/2009 7:34:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ye [9/7/2009 7:35:17 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ye kalam kithna ruppee ka hai ? [9/7/2009 7:35:32 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: [7:11:16 PM] jayamurugank says: [10:27:49 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Martin... Dont we need to use hai.N at the end of the sentence? No hai.N is used for plural (Jay how do you quote from previous inputs ?) As I have done here now,you can copy the content in the message writing window and then you can write your views. [9/7/2009 7:35:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I will try to remember that [9/7/2009 7:36:15 PM] jayamurugank says: ye kalam kii kimat kithna rupee hai? = How much does this pen cost? [9/7/2009 7:36:28 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/7/2009 7:36:35 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ye and is [9/7/2009 7:36:41 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: do you remember that [9/7/2009 7:36:49 PM] jayamurugank says: yes [9/7/2009 7:36:54 PM] jayamurugank says: ye = it [9/7/2009 7:37:11 PM] jayamurugank says: is = this in = these un = that us = those [9/7/2009 7:38:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/7/2009 7:41:58 PM] jayamurugank says: ye kalam kaa mulya kithna rupee hai? = How much does this pen cost [9/7/2009 7:42:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: mulya = cost [9/7/2009 7:42:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/7/2009 7:42:45 PM] jayamurugank says: mulya is musculine kiimat is feminie [9/7/2009 7:43:07 PM] jayamurugank says: we don't have such structures in Tamil. [9/7/2009 7:43:23 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: lo [9/7/2009 7:43:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: lol [9/7/2009 7:43:29 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 7:43:32 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/7/2009 7:43:46 PM] jayamurugank says: even in English we don't have such structures [9/7/2009 7:43:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we have [9/7/2009 7:43:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: in English [9/7/2009 7:44:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: in Poem [9/7/2009 7:44:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sun is male and moon is female [9/7/2009 7:44:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: lol [9/7/2009 7:44:16 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ship and sea [9/7/2009 7:44:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: lol [9/7/2009 7:44:22 PM] jayamurugank says: in English? [9/7/2009 7:44:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/7/2009 7:44:33 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Sun is Male [9/7/2009 7:44:41 PM] jayamurugank says: maybe in Poem. [9/7/2009 7:44:49 PM] jayamurugank says: but not in standard English. [9/7/2009 7:45:07 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/7/2009 7:45:57 PM] jayamurugank says: In English ,we don't need to change verbs according to the objects we discuss ... do we? [9/7/2009 7:46:22 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: no [9/7/2009 7:46:54 PM] jayamurugank says: kalam kii ---kiimat kalam kaa - mulya [9/7/2009 7:47:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: you have learn that [9/7/2009 7:47:19 PM] jayamurugank says: I think French have such structures [9/7/2009 7:47:45 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/31/2009 9:46:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: is kalam kii kiimat paa.Nch rupaye hai or is kalam kaa mulya paa.Nch rupaye hai. kiimat is feminine and mulya is masculine  :^) [9/7/2009 7:48:07 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hahheeh [9/7/2009 7:48:15 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 8:01:39 PM] jayamurugank says: Man: mera dosth ka naam Ravi hai Man: mera dosth ki naam Geetha hai woman : meri dosth ka naam Reghu hai woman : meri dosth ki naam Gettha hai [9/7/2009 8:02:16 PM] jayamurugank says: Is my usage of .. mera, meri, ka, ki correct? [9/7/2009 8:06:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: dost = male [9/7/2009 8:06:09 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: so you have to use ka [9/7/2009 8:06:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Meri dost ka naam Geeta hai. [9/7/2009 8:20:38 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/24/2009 8:08:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tumhara dost aaya thha- ur friend had come [8/24/2009 8:09:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- dost is masculine as is mitra [8/24/2009 8:09:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: the feminine equivalent is saheli or sakhi [8/24/2009 8:10:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: meri saheli, meri sakhiyaa.n [8/24/2009 8:10:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mera dost, mere dost [8/24/2009 8:10:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maine dosto.n ko ghar bulaaya hua thha [8/24/2009 8:11:01 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Dosto mere saath chalo [8/24/2009 8:11:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chal mere dost mere saath chal [8/24/2009 8:11:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere dost ne mera saath diya [8/24/2009 8:11:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere dosto.n ne mera saath nahi.n diya [8/24/2009 8:13:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: the antonym of dost is dushman and that of mitra is shatru [8/24/2009 8:14:36 PM] Peter says: dushman .. enemy... (in many hindi movies.... [8/24/2009 8:15:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes dushman is enemy and so is shatru [8/24/2009 8:16:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so shatru is again singular and a plural [9/7/2009 8:23:20 PM] jayamurugank says: dost, mitra -- male saheli --female [9/7/2009 8:26:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello Jay, martin [9/7/2009 8:26:25 PM] jayamurugank says: Hi Naveent ji [9/7/2009 8:27:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: 1. dost is dost and not dosth 2. dost is dost and sahelii is sahelii they are not interchangeable. [9/7/2009 8:27:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere dost kaa naam Ravi hai merii sahelii kaa naam Radhaa hai [9/7/2009 8:39:48 PM] jayamurugank says: Can both mere and merii be used for both gender? [9/7/2009 8:43:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no [9/7/2009 8:44:24 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but if the boy is talking of his girlfriend, sister, mother then he will say- meri sahelii [9/7/2009 8:44:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and the girl will call him meraa dost [9/7/2009 8:45:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: urdu words like mehboob and sanam are used for both genders [9/7/2009 8:47:07 PM] Sompong says: namaste [9/7/2009 8:47:17 PM] pitchiah_id says: (bow) [9/7/2009 8:47:26 PM] pitchiah_id says: Sompong [9/7/2009 8:48:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere mahabuub, mere sanam [9/7/2009 8:48:12 PM] Sompong says: I don't get word mere dost . [9/7/2009 8:48:39 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Sompong, Pitchi :) [9/7/2009 8:49:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: also meraa mahabuub and merii mahabuub [9/7/2009 8:49:41 PM] Sompong says: namaste Pit [9/7/2009 8:49:59 PM] Sompong says: mera dost or mere dost [9/7/2009 8:49:59 PM] pitchiah_id says: :) Namaste Jayam Ji [9/7/2009 8:50:18 PM] Sompong says: (think) [9/7/2009 8:50:30 PM] pitchiah_id says: (think) [9/7/2009 8:50:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: also merii mahabuubaa- for the female for male it is always mahabuub [9/7/2009 8:50:41 PM] pitchiah_id says: :) [9/7/2009 8:52:20 PM] Sompong says: Pit..I am serious about mera, mere, merii. [9/7/2009 8:53:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maaraa means beaten Sompong and maraa means dead [9/7/2009 8:53:35 PM] Sompong says: achha hai [9/7/2009 8:53:45 PM] Sompong says: :D [9/7/2009 8:53:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mare- means when died? [9/7/2009 8:54:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: marii- means when died (female) [9/7/2009 8:55:54 PM] Sompong says: or male? [9/7/2009 8:55:54 PM] Sompong says: mare- means when died (female)? [9/7/2009 8:56:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mare- aap ke dadajii kab mare the- When had your grandfather died? [9/7/2009 8:57:01 PM] Sompong says: mara aur mare=my [9/7/2009 8:58:30 PM] Sompong says: kya hai? Navneet! [9/7/2009 8:59:17 PM] Sompong says: Are you serious of your work? [9/7/2009 9:00:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: meraa- means mine [9/7/2009 9:00:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maraa means dead [9/7/2009 9:01:46 PM] Sompong says: Oh ..I made many mistakes. [9/7/2009 9:01:55 PM] Sompong says: :D [9/7/2009 9:03:29 PM] Sompong says: I wrote them wrong...sorry. [9/7/2009 9:04:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: do you have the ITRANS codes with you Sompong? [9/7/2009 9:05:28 PM] Sompong says: haan [9/7/2009 9:06:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: then refer to that I try to write spellings according to that but still make many mistakes because I don't remember it all and don't refer to it often [9/7/2009 9:07:55 PM] Sompong says: I tried it but have to have more time for me. [9/7/2009 9:08:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: If I don't use, you people can be confused about the spellings and the pronounciation [9/7/2009 9:10:10 PM] Sompong says: You should be used to it for teaching here. [9/7/2009 9:12:57 PM] Sompong says: It is good way for participants here written using in the same way. [9/7/2009 9:13:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so make a little effort and try to use it [9/7/2009 9:16:29 PM] Sompong says: haan, zaroor [9/7/2009 9:17:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ok make a sentence with merii [9/7/2009 9:22:13 PM] jayamurugank says: merii maathaajii raviwaar ko chennai jaye.ngii. [9/7/2009 9:37:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar [9/7/2009 9:40:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: merii matajii ravivaar ko chenai jaye.ngii [9/7/2009 9:41:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maataa jii- correction [9/7/2009 9:42:32 PM] jayamurugank says: namaskar Martin [9/7/2009 9:43:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and since maataajii has to be given the due respect so we will use the verb in the same way as we use with aap [9/7/2009 9:43:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: or ve [9/7/2009 9:44:08 PM] jayamurugank says: yes [9/7/2009 9:45:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: jauu.Ngaa is for mai.n only [9/7/2009 9:45:55 PM] jayamurugank says: haan [9/7/2009 9:46:16 PM] jayamurugank says: I forgot that when I wrote that sentence [9/7/2009 9:46:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and how will you write the same sentence for father [9/7/2009 9:50:24 PM] jayamurugank says: mera pitajii ravivaar ko chenai jaye.nge [9/7/2009 9:51:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere pitaajii ravivaar ko chenai jaye.nge [9/7/2009 9:52:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: there is no words jaye.ngaa in Hindi- it is in Punjabi though [9/7/2009 9:53:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: jayegaa is for 'He' and 'Jayei.nge' is for they and as I said above for giving respect we will use verb as if using with third person pronoun [9/7/2009 9:54:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- Jaya and Sompong- it's late here- will talk tomorrow. Good night [9/7/2009 9:54:53 PM] jayamurugank says: If you want to say..... Both my father and mother is going to Chenna... should I start with mere or merii ? [9/7/2009 9:55:13 PM] Sompong says: mere pitaa jii [9/7/2009 9:55:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kal maataajii aur pitaajii chenai jaye.nge [9/7/2009 9:56:34 PM] Sompong says: mere pitaa jii mera pitaa jii Which one is correct? [9/7/2009 9:56:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: or kal maataajii aur pitaajii dono (both) chenai jaye.nge [9/7/2009 9:57:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere pitaa jii [9/7/2009 9:58:10 PM] jayamurugank says: Thanks a lot Naveent jii.. Good night (wave) [9/7/2009 9:58:14 PM] Sompong says: Shukriya aur shubh ratrii [9/7/2009 9:58:24 PM] Sompong says: kal milenge [9/7/2009 9:58:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shubh raatrii [9/7/2009 9:58:46 PM] jayamurugank says: shubh raatrii [9/7/2009 9:59:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: shubh raatrii [9/7/2009 9:59:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shubh raatrii Martin [9/7/2009 10:00:01 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aaap kamal kar rahe ho sir [9/7/2009 10:00:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: mere pass word nahin hai . aap to shukriya bolene ko [9/7/2009 10:00:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kamaal kar rahe ho sar- kamaal to aap log bhii kar rahe ho Martin [9/7/2009 10:02:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere paas to aap ka shukriyaa adaa karne ke liye shabdh nahii.n hai.n- And we will discuss this tomorrow Martin- Very tired and sleepy- Got to go early tomorrow- Good Night [9/7/2009 10:02:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Good night sir [9/7/2009 10:03:02 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: shubh raatrii [9/7/2009 10:03:38 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hello Jayam are we using this No. +9900827044884586 [9/7/2009 10:04:07 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: if not then that is very bad [9/7/2009 10:04:09 PM] jayamurugank says: I have used only once. Iam not sure if this number is still active. [9/7/2009 10:04:17 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: its active [9/7/2009 10:04:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I just try that [9/7/2009 10:04:36 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: +9900827044884586 [9/7/2009 10:04:52 PM] jayamurugank says: wow.. As we don't use the conference quite often.. I haven't bothered about it much. [9/7/2009 10:05:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we should use it for hindi practise [9/7/2009 10:05:31 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, we should. [9/7/2009 10:05:50 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: as many people are very good in hindi (Indian) but very active [9/7/2009 10:05:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: in writting [9/7/2009 10:06:00 PM] jayamurugank says: But we should learn something more to carry on the basic conversation.. [9/7/2009 10:06:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: do you know KISS theory my friend [9/7/2009 10:06:46 PM] jayamurugank says: Our knowledge is not not yet good enough to carry on the basic conversation. [9/7/2009 10:07:00 PM] jayamurugank says: KISS stands for? [9/7/2009 10:07:16 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: KISS = KEEP IT SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT [9/7/2009 10:07:36 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we can use it for verbal discussion [9/7/2009 10:07:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: dont you think so [9/7/2009 10:07:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: +9900827044884586 [9/7/2009 10:08:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we should use it very often [9/7/2009 10:09:25 PM] jayamurugank says: yes... we should [9/7/2009 10:09:36 PM] jayamurugank says: maybe after a month or two [9/7/2009 10:09:50 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/7/2009 10:11:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Manoj. Martin. Naveetji. Manisha are all native Hindi speaker in this room [9/7/2009 10:11:14 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: shaan [9/7/2009 10:11:31 PM] jayamurugank says: haan [9/7/2009 10:12:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: if you are making a effort . such a big effort than we are alway ready to help you Jayam ji [9/7/2009 10:12:23 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we are ready to help you anytime [9/7/2009 10:12:30 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks a lot. [9/7/2009 10:12:32 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 10:12:56 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/7/2009 10:13:42 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: all the Hindi native speaker . shy to type here but they can talk I m sure about. and about me I am very bad at spellings [9/7/2009 10:14:22 PM] jayamurugank says: yes [9/7/2009 10:14:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes means you agreee with me that I am very bad in spellings lol :D [9/7/2009 10:14:50 PM] manoj says: hello Jayam and martin [9/7/2009 10:15:16 PM] jayamurugank says: I think we, beginners should learn more before we start practising orally [9/7/2009 10:15:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: see people are willing to help you Jayam ji but in verbal only [9/7/2009 10:15:21 PM] jayamurugank says: Hi Manoj [9/7/2009 10:15:34 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: no I dont agree with you Jayam ji [9/7/2009 10:15:40 PM] manoj says: Aap log kaise hai? [9/7/2009 10:16:02 PM] jayamurugank says: mein theek hoon. [9/7/2009 10:16:20 PM] jayamurugank says: aap? [9/7/2009 10:16:34 PM] manoj says: Achchha [9/7/2009 10:16:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Can you learn the motorcycle by simply reading the book . you have practice that . same for lang. you have pracice that...... only grammar will not take you to be a perfect speaker [9/7/2009 10:17:06 PM] manoj says: Mai bhi achchha hu. [9/7/2009 10:17:29 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein mast hoo abhi. Happy hoon. [9/7/2009 10:17:45 PM] jayamurugank says: of course... but we should know where is brake and where is accelerator... [9/7/2009 10:17:47 PM] jayamurugank says: lol [9/7/2009 10:17:53 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: lol [9/7/2009 10:18:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ab hum elip room chalete hai. [9/7/2009 10:18:27 PM] jayamurugank says: sure [9/7/2009 10:50:47 PM] Peter says: This message has been removed [9/7/2009 10:54:38 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Peter Ji [9/7/2009 10:54:52 PM] Peter says: Hi Martin [9/7/2009 10:55:29 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aap kaise hoo? [9/7/2009 10:57:22 PM] Peter says: mai.n thaakaa hai [9/7/2009 10:57:37 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: theek hai . [9/7/2009 10:57:38 PM] Peter says: I have been up all night. [9/7/2009 10:58:06 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: what happen are you not well . [9/7/2009 10:58:10 PM] Peter says: I have been taking a close look at a sample hindi conversation. [9/7/2009 10:58:19 PM] Peter says: I'm fine... [9/7/2009 10:58:47 PM] Peter says: but lack of sleep does tend to make me tired :) [9/7/2009 10:59:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Happy for you :) [9/7/2009 11:00:09 PM] Peter says: (Better English would be: "Good for you". [9/7/2009 11:01:02 PM] Peter says: "Better" implies a comparison, but no "other" has been mentioned... (I wish Hindi was as easy as English... . ! [9/7/2009 11:02:56 PM] Peter says: But, by slowly and carefully going through some sample Hindi sentences, I am starting to see the structure, and how the verbs and adverbs, etc change. [9/7/2009 11:05:26 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Peter :) [9/7/2009 11:05:46 PM] Peter says: Hi Jayam... [9/7/2009 11:08:08 PM] Peter says: I have been putting the finishing touches on some Hindi sentences... converting a non-standard transliteration into ITRANS... It is a good opportunity to carefully examine the sentences... [9/7/2009 11:09:27 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, A while ago we had a discussion about the standard spelling in Hindi. [9/7/2009 11:09:59 PM] jayamurugank says: Lots of typos :) [9/7/2009 11:10:19 PM] Peter says: ... because the original transliteration did not closely follow the original devanagari, it has taken a long time to sort it out.. [9/7/2009 11:11:12 PM] Peter says: It is easy for a native speaker, but not so easy for beginners to realize the correct spelling .. [9/7/2009 11:11:21 PM] Peter says: Amit नमस्ते। namaste. Hello. Mohan नमस्ते। आप दिल्ली से हैं? namaste. aap dillii se hai.n? Hello. You're from Delhi? Amit जी नहीं, मैं लन्दन से हूँ। और आप? jii nahii.n, mai.n landan se huu.N. aur aap? No, I'm from London. And you? Mohan मैं दिल्ली से हूँ। mai.n dillii se huu.N. I'm from Delhi. Amit आप ठीक हैं? aap Thiik hai.n? You're OK? Mohan जी हाँ, लेकिन मैं थका हूँ। jii haa.N, lekin mai.n thakaa huu.N. Yes, but I'm tired. Amit हाँ, मैं भी बहुत थका हूँ! haa.N, mai.n bhii bahut thakaa huu.N! Yes, I'm very tired too! [9/7/2009 11:12:34 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 11:15:35 PM] jayamurugank says: we should try on our own to make many simple sentences. [9/7/2009 11:15:40 PM] Peter says: As far as I can tell, the ITRANS is exactly correct, as is the Devanagari... [9/7/2009 11:15:56 PM] Peter says: I am not up to that stage yet.. [9/7/2009 11:16:16 PM] Peter says: I'm keeping away from that for a while yet.... [9/7/2009 11:16:18 PM] jayamurugank says: we should try with what we have studied. [9/7/2009 11:16:28 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 11:16:53 PM] jayamurugank says: I always try to make simple sentenes to reinforce our learning. [9/7/2009 11:17:41 PM] Peter says: Yes, but I have no simple daily reference, and a finding that this approach is working better for me.... I am seriously looking at verbs, etc. [9/7/2009 11:18:39 PM] Peter says: As per your comment; I am finding out all about the brakes and accelerator and road rules. [9/7/2009 11:18:53 PM] jayamurugank says: :D [9/7/2009 11:19:00 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :D [9/7/2009 11:20:16 PM] Peter says: These sentences are good for me because I know absolutely that they are correct. Maybe Navneet can point out any glaring errors in them. [9/7/2009 11:21:08 PM] jayamurugank says: http://www.indusladies.com/forums/andhra-pradesh/61863-hindi-sentence-of-the-day-4.html [9/7/2009 11:21:59 PM] Peter says: I looked at that yesterday... but I found that I needed to join-up.... [9/7/2009 11:22:15 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/7/2009 11:23:32 PM] Peter says: I have taken note of the URL, but I am on a specific path at the moment, and I'd better stay with it... too much jumping around can become confusing. [9/7/2009 11:25:14 PM] jayamurugank says: yeah.. that is a good idea. [9/7/2009 11:26:28 PM] Peter says: The thing with ITRANS that seems to make some people shy away from it, seems to be that it doesn't look like normal English... [9/7/2009 11:26:55 PM] Peter says: ... Of course it doesn't ... It's not. [9/7/2009 11:29:56 PM] Peter says: ... and the abundance of "a" in it is because it *truly* can, and does, reflect the real spelling (and not just a casual approximation of so many other styles... [9/7/2009 11:31:18 PM] Peter says: It is 100% convertible into devanagari and all the word can be looked up in a hindi dictionary... (except for the word-endings for gender and case) [9/7/2009 11:33:27 PM] Peter says: .... the ITRANS and Devanagari in the previous, and following, lines are a 100% match.. The seemingly superfluous "a"-s are there because they "actually" are there in the original native *normal" written form of the word... [9/7/2009 11:33:30 PM] Peter says: ------ [9/7/2009 11:33:48 PM] Peter says: ....Here comes another lot... [9/7/2009 11:33:58 PM] Peter says: Anjali आपका नाम क्या है? aapakaa naam kyaa hai? What's your name? Madhuri मेरा नाम माधुरी है। और आपका? meraa naam maadhurii hai. aur aapakaa? My name 's Madhuri. And yours? Anjali मेरा नाम अन्जलि है। meraa naam anjali hai. My name is Anjali. Madhuri क्या आप ठीक हैं? kyaa aap Thiik hai.n? Are you OK? Anjali जी हाँ, शुक्रिया, मैं ठीक हू। jii haa.N, shukriyaa, mai.n Thiik huu.N. Yes, thankyou, I'm OK. Madhuri आप थकी नहीं हैं? aap thakii nahii.n hai.n? You 're not tired? Anjali जी नहीं, मैं ठीक हूँ। आप कैसी हैं? jii nahii.n, mai.n Thiik huu.N. aap kaisii hai.n? No, I'm OK. How are you? Madhuri मैं भी ठीक हूँ। mai.n bhii Thiik huu.N. I'm OK too. Anjali क्या यह कोट आपका है? kyaa yah koT aapakaa hai? Is this coat yours? Madhuri जी नहीं, यह मेरा नहीं है। jii nahii.n, yah meraa nahii.n hai. No, it's not mine. Anjali क्या यह मोहन का है? kyaa yah mohan kaa hai? Is it Mohan's? Madhuri जी नहीं, यह मोहन का भी नहीं है। jii nahii.n, yah mohan kaa bhii nahii.n hai. No, it's not Mohan's either. [9/7/2009 11:34:16 PM] Peter says: ---- [9/7/2009 11:34:56 PM] Peter says: All those "a"-s are good! The Devanagari is even better... It is a beautifully compact script. [9/7/2009 11:35:57 PM] Peter says: ... someone may get some value out of the sentences above... more to come if anyone wants them.... [9/7/2009 11:35:59 PM] jayamurugank says: yes..good one [9/7/2009 11:36:18 PM] jayamurugank says: please post it [9/7/2009 11:36:25 PM] Peter says: ,,, but not now... I'd better try for some rest.. [9/7/2009 11:36:29 PM] jayamurugank says: yes... [9/7/2009 11:36:40 PM] jayamurugank says: may be after two days.. [9/7/2009 11:36:41 PM] Peter says: bye for now... :) [9/7/2009 11:36:48 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) [9/7/2009 11:36:50 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: namaskar [9/7/2009 11:37:08 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: bye (wave) [9/7/2009 11:37:23 PM] Peter says: bye ...to everyone who is awake and in "here" [9/8/2009 6:53:11 PM] jayamurugank says: . [9/8/2009 6:54:51 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) [9/8/2009 6:56:02 PM] jayamurugank says: Namasthe [9/8/2009 7:05:43 PM] jayamurugank says: mujhe school jaana hai = I have to go to school humei.n school jaana hai = we have to go school use school jaana hai = he has to go to school use school jaana hai = she has to go to school unhei.n school jana hai = they have to go school [9/8/2009 7:27:33 PM] jayamurugank says: mujhe sona hai = I have to sleep tumhei.n sona hai = you have to sleep use sona hai = she has to sleep use sona hai = he has to sleep humei.n sona hai = we have to sleep unhei.n sona hai = they have to sleep [9/8/2009 8:12:44 PM] jayamurugank says: main school ja raha tha = I was going to school. aap school ja raha tha = you were going to school Hum school ja rahe tha = we were going to school wah school ja raha tha = he was going to school wah shcool ja rahi tha = she was going to school ve school ja rahe tha = they were going to school. [9/8/2009 8:53:31 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/9/2009 7:59:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum Martin ke saath kahan ja rahe ho- tum dono kahaan ja rahe ho what is the meaning of..... saath and dono [9/8/2009 9:24:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap school ja rahe the = you were going to school Hum school ja rahe the = we were going to school wah shcool ja rahi thii = she was going to school ve school ja rahe the = they were going to school. [9/8/2009 9:25:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: saath means with and dono means both [9/8/2009 9:28:15 PM] Peter says: dono.n = dono = the two, both, both of them (it is the "oblique" plural form of "do" ... two) [9/8/2009 9:29:36 PM] Peter says: ah.. hello Navneet... [9/8/2009 9:30:01 PM] Peter says: I hadn't noticed your post. [9/8/2009 9:30:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hello- Peter. My internet is working at a snail's pace- I may give up any time  (sweat) [9/8/2009 9:30:52 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Naveent ji, Peter ji :) [9/8/2009 9:31:35 PM] jayamurugank says: I have also time lags.. First I have seen Peterji 's post ...then Navneetji's [9/8/2009 9:32:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ham dono, tum dono, aap dono- dono ne kiyaa thaa pyar magar mujhe yaad rahaa tu bhuul gayii  :) [9/8/2009 9:33:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter jii- You like it or not!! Peter jii [9/8/2009 9:33:58 PM] Peter says: mamaste Jayam... I just read that Jaipur was named after a maharaja named Jai Singh... Are yours and his the same names? [9/8/2009 9:34:52 PM] jayamurugank says: My name is Jaya Murugan. I am not sure about his name. [9/8/2009 9:35:21 PM] Peter says: :) I did just mean the Jai vs Jaya part... [9/8/2009 9:36:05 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/8/2009 9:36:17 PM] jayamurugank says: I wirte my name as.. Jaya ... [9/8/2009 9:37:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: same origin- jai, jaya, vijaya- victory, win, praise [9/8/2009 9:37:36 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, it is. [9/8/2009 9:37:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: In Hindi it is jayapur [9/8/2009 9:38:05 PM] Peter says: ahhh.. ok thanks... that is inreresting... I had often wondered of the origin of the word "jai.. etc... [9/8/2009 9:38:17 PM] jayamurugank says: The name Jaya is very common in India..especially in south India. [9/8/2009 9:38:42 PM] Peter says: ok... more in the northern parts.. [9/8/2009 9:39:08 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: जयपुर [9/8/2009 9:39:56 PM] Peter says: जयपुर jayapur [9/8/2009 9:40:37 PM] Peter says: जय्पुर jaypur [9/8/2009 9:41:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: jai Ho- Song in Slumdog millionaire [9/8/2009 9:41:08 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/9/2009 7:59:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum Martin ke saath kahan ja rahe ho- tum dono kahaan ja rahe ho please write the meaning of this sentence. [9/8/2009 9:41:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Jaya Bachchan  :D the Santa joke, I sent to you- Peter [9/8/2009 9:41:45 PM] Peter says: ah.. yes.... [9/8/2009 9:42:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: No peter, I wrote jayapur above [9/8/2009 9:44:48 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar ji [9/8/2009 9:44:51 PM] Peter says: I just presented the two, to indicate to others that the "a" in ITRANS does make a difference ... ( fewer squares for those who can't see the devanagari font [9/8/2009 9:45:06 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Martin :) [9/8/2009 9:45:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: jana gana mana adhinaayak jaya he- Natinal anthem [9/8/2009 9:46:09 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I have to stand now [9/8/2009 9:46:10 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [9/8/2009 9:46:14 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, it is. [9/8/2009 9:46:17 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/8/2009 9:46:39 PM] Peter says: hi martin (funny) :) [9/8/2009 9:47:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: its our national Athem so I have to stand my friend [9/8/2009 9:47:21 PM] Peter says: yes... I understood... [9/8/2009 9:47:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: National [9/8/2009 9:47:52 PM] jayamurugank says: Is your net connection alright? Martin [9/8/2009 9:47:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/8/2009 9:48:01 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: tht fine [9/8/2009 9:48:17 PM] jayamurugank says: My connection has been acting up since 7 o'clock. [9/8/2009 9:48:25 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: mera net connection abhi accha hain. [9/8/2009 9:48:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: fewer squares? Do they count squares to know the words? [9/8/2009 9:52:23 PM] Peter says: (they probably don't .. :) Navneet, is it a general rule in Hindi that the prefix "a" अ negates the meaning of a word eg. abhii is the "opposite" of bhii ? [9/8/2009 9:53:11 PM] Peter says: this one may not be a good example... [9/8/2009 9:55:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Maan and Abhimaan [9/8/2009 9:55:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not bhii and abhii and not always- vijaya- victory, ajaya- unconquerable [9/8/2009 9:55:33 PM] jayamurugank says: In English ...sometimes a is prefixed with the word which gives the opposite in meaning pathy apathy [9/8/2009 9:55:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that apply to Hindi also for some words [9/8/2009 9:56:16 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we can make native or oppostie by putting A or AA [9/8/2009 9:56:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: deya- give able- adeya- un give able [9/8/2009 9:56:49 PM] Peter says: ok.. so it is true to some degree.. [9/8/2009 9:56:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/8/2009 9:56:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes it does- thinking [9/8/2009 9:57:01 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: but not always [9/8/2009 9:57:21 PM] Peter says: good.. not always... [9/8/2009 9:57:28 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [9/8/2009 9:57:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gyaan- knowledge- agyaan- lack of knowledge [9/8/2009 9:58:08 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: vigyaan- science [9/8/2009 9:58:43 PM] Peter says: It seems to be a significant prefix... it is worth being aware of, it seems. [9/8/2009 9:59:00 PM] jayamurugank says: interesting... [9/8/2009 9:59:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gyaat- known, agyaat- unknown [9/8/2009 9:59:32 PM] Peter says: ah.... does the "vi" mean anything special in the way of a common prefix ? [9/8/2009 9:59:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bhii means also and abhii means now [9/8/2009 9:59:47 PM] Peter says: vigyaan... [9/8/2009 10:00:02 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Vigyaan = science [9/8/2009 10:00:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- it does, will need to do some research [9/8/2009 10:02:06 PM] jayamurugank says: in English. SCIENT (Latin) --knowing preSCIENT -- knowing it before neSCIENT --- not knowing ..ignorance omniSCIENT --knowing all [9/8/2009 10:02:13 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mujhe Vigyaan subject pasand hai. [9/8/2009 10:02:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: daataa- giver, vidhaataa- God [9/8/2009 10:04:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: will do some research tomorrow- chalo ab main sone kii aagyaa chahuu.Ngaa [9/8/2009 10:04:02 PM] Peter says: ah.. daataa ... vidaataa [9/8/2009 10:04:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will seek permission to sleep [9/8/2009 10:05:54 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks a lot ...Naveent ji ....shubh raatri (wave) [9/8/2009 10:06:38 PM] Peter says: good night Navneet... bye.. [9/8/2009 10:07:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: vidhaataa [9/8/2009 10:07:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: good night [9/8/2009 10:07:18 PM] Peter says: (wave) ...... [9/8/2009 10:07:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: (wave) [9/8/2009 10:07:40 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) [9/8/2009 10:07:42 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar [9/8/2009 10:13:36 PM] Peter says: Martin, is "ashubh" a commonly used word ? [9/8/2009 10:15:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [9/8/2009 10:15:38 PM] Peter says: :) thanks... [9/8/2009 10:15:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ashubh = not lucky and Shubh = lucky [9/8/2009 10:16:08 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein Aap ke liy bahut Shubh hoon. :) [9/9/2009 1:05:50 AM] 1nicechat says: namaste [9/9/2009 8:17:20 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello everyone. Eventhough someone may prove lucky or unlucky for someone, this is not how these words are used. We use them in reference to the days and the events. aaj kaa din bahut shubh hai jo aap hamare ghar aae ho. yah to ba.Dii ashubh baat hai [9/9/2009 9:45:49 AM] Peter says: namaste navneet jii .... (I am venturing into the world of "jii" :) ) [9/9/2009 9:47:08 AM] Peter says: That is interesting.. your previous message is time-stamped more than an hour and a half ago.. but I only just now received it. [9/9/2009 9:47:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: achchhaa jii? - it stands for is that so [9/9/2009 9:48:04 AM] Peter says: achchhaa jii ... (and I mean it in its real usage) [9/9/2009 9:50:40 AM] Peter says: I have a question about... ko, kii, etc. When they follow something like aap.... I read somewhere that the preferred method of writing "aap ko" is to join them up together .... आप को becomes आपको What do you think about this? [9/9/2009 9:51:17 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes if it is said with the wrinkled brow and a stress on the word achchhaa then - it is a bit of surprising/ amusing piece of information you are trying to digest. If it is said normally it means OK- Sir [9/9/2009 9:52:15 AM] Peter says: ok... the stress makes the difference [9/9/2009 9:52:29 AM] Peter says: the inflection... [9/9/2009 9:53:33 AM] Peter says: "achchha jii" seems to be a parallel to "jii nahin"... [9/9/2009 9:54:10 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kii - something belonging to you, your wife, sister, car for feminine genders and aap kaa for masculine- brother, house, pen etc. aap ko means "you will" aap ko jaanaa pa.Degaa- you will have to go. aap ko uTnaa pa.Degaa- you will have to get up [9/9/2009 9:55:43 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: achchha jii- Is it sir, Ok Sir, jii nahi.n- negation- No, sir [9/9/2009 9:56:07 AM] Peter says: I see... [9/9/2009 9:56:47 AM] Peter says: jii nahi.n means the "respect" version of "jii" .... and not as an emphasis of exclamation. [9/9/2009 9:57:30 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum use jaanate ho? Do you know him? jii nahi.n to use jaanane kii koshish bhii mat karanaa- Then don't try to know him either (get friendly with him)- achchhaa jii [9/9/2009 10:00:14 AM] Peter says: तुम उसे जान्ते हो, or तुम उसे जानते हो [9/9/2009 10:00:23 AM] Peter says: I think the second... [9/9/2009 10:00:25 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: jii nahi.n is denying the knowledge of something or refusing an allegation or such like without being disrespectful [9/9/2009 10:01:03 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: jaanate ho जानते हो [9/9/2009 10:02:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: still making mistakes though but improving nevertheless- am I not? [9/9/2009 10:03:05 AM] Peter says: you certainly are.... :) [9/9/2009 10:03:15 AM] Peter says: ok.. so "jji" in "jii nahi.n" softens what may otherwise seem to be a point-blank rebuttal ? [9/9/2009 10:03:39 AM] Peter says: ... certainly are improving.... [9/9/2009 10:11:04 AM] Peter says: जानना jaananaa (v.) to know, to become aware of; to perceive; [9/9/2009 10:13:19 AM] Peter says: जाना jaanaa (v.) to go, to depart; [9/9/2009 10:14:21 AM] Peter says: I was a bit puzzled by jaanate ho (at first) [9/9/2009 10:17:54 AM] Peter says: तुम उसे जानते हो = tum use jaanate ho = you know तुम उसे जाते हो = tum use jaate ho = you go [9/9/2009 10:40:31 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: तुम जाते हो = tum jaate ho = you go. tum vahaa.N jaate ho- You go there [9/9/2009 10:40:52 AM] Peter says: "jaananaa" seems to have the same root as "gyaan" [9/9/2009 10:42:22 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: तुम उसे जानते हो = tum use jaanate ho = you know him or even you know him? though kyaa will do a lot good here in the beginning- like kyaa tum use jaanate ho? but often it is not spoken and use is spoken with a bit of emphasis [9/9/2009 10:43:32 AM] Peter says: ah! .. use = him .... [9/9/2009 10:43:48 AM] Peter says: This message has been removed [9/9/2009 10:44:49 AM] Peter says: and it is "he" because of the verb form ? [9/9/2009 10:44:50 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: even jii nahi.n is emphatic denial in fact more than what nahi.n alone stands for