[8/27/2009 2:22:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: क्षुद्र check the meaning of this [8/27/2009 2:23:27 PM] Peter says: // ITRANS kShudra [8/27/2009 2:24:21 PM] Peter says: ... with or without the trailing "a" ... [8/27/2009 2:24:59 PM] Peter says: क्षुद्र kshudra, vulg. kshudr, adj. & s.m. (f. -ā), Small, little, minute, trifling, insignificant; indigent, poor; mean, low, vile, base, contemptible; niggardly, avaricious;—a mean person, &c.:—kshudra-buddhi, adj. & s.m.f. Of little understanding, simple, silly, foolish, ignorant;—a person of little understanding, or of mean intellect:—kshudr-jīv, s.m. Any lower animal, a brute beast;—kshudra-rog, s.m. A minor disease, a disease of little importance:—kshudra-rogi, s.m. (f. -iṇī), A person suffering from a minor disease. [8/27/2009 2:25:20 PM] Peter says: ---- Is this the one? [8/27/2009 2:25:49 PM] Peter says: ---- or क्षुद्रा kshudrā, s.f. A low woman, a base or despicable woman; a harlot; a dancing-girl. [8/27/2009 2:26:27 PM] Peter says: क्षुद्र kshuddr (a) small; mean, base, petty; wicked; contemptible. [8/27/2009 2:26:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I knew these but first I thought it doesn't fit in the context I was reading but, it's ok- it does [8/27/2009 2:27:05 PM] Peter says: Neither of these dictionaries use ITRANS.. The first one was written in Queen Victoria's time [8/27/2009 2:27:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: तप्त होता क्षुद्र अन्तर्व्योम पहले व्यक्ति का, और तब उठता धधक समुदाय का आकाश भी [8/27/2009 2:28:25 PM] Peter says: tapt hotaa kShudr antarvyom pahale vyakti kaa, aur tab uThataa dhadhak samudaay kaa aakaash bhii [8/27/2009 2:28:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: platt I have seen but since these dictionaries don't use any standard code oft your search end up with no results found [8/27/2009 2:29:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: very good- now how many words can u understand- these lines are from a beautiful poetry I am reading kurukshetra by Ram dhari singh dinkar [8/27/2009 2:29:59 PM] Peter says: Platts ... It is recognized as being very good.. It includes a good array of Urdu words also.. [8/27/2009 2:30:27 PM] Peter says: not many.. I'm still at the "technical" level. [8/27/2009 2:30:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Have seen platts. forgot about it once my FF had crashed and I lost all bookmarks, it was there in them before [8/27/2009 2:31:27 PM] Peter says: I must say that some of the words used last night were very easy to find in the Dictionary, because I can very quicky convert the ITRANS to Devang, and the look it up directly. [8/27/2009 2:31:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hope we can continue till we reach such a stage- If I am able to sustain your and ...my interest [8/27/2009 2:32:12 PM] Peter says: :) [8/27/2009 2:33:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But you can convince others to use itrans only if they can see the magic and ease [8/27/2009 2:33:11 PM] Peter says: This one is a "nice" little dictionary... it is from the vocab of a University course... http://www.bodhgayanews.net/vocab.php [8/27/2009 2:33:46 PM] Peter says: ITRANS is coincidental to most people. [8/27/2009 2:34:18 PM] Peter says: but for the sake of a uniform standard, they might as well use ITRANS... I don't want to use ITRANS... but I will [8/27/2009 2:35:07 PM] Peter says: I have switched over from a similar system which I started using before I realized that ITRANS is widespead... [8/27/2009 2:35:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: it will be for there good- i am hardly finding any problem, it's so intuitive [8/27/2009 2:35:32 PM] Peter says: and is completely convertable to devanagari... [8/27/2009 2:35:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: it automatically does [8/27/2009 2:35:53 PM] Peter says: It is as simple conversion... [8/27/2009 2:36:33 PM] Peter says: I wrote a program for myself to reverse Devanagari into three transliteration types... [8/27/2009 2:36:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I find some assistant also pops up on side to aid in choosing the word [8/27/2009 2:37:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Oh great- so u r still doing programming  :) [8/27/2009 2:37:30 PM] Peter says: There is a "printer's" transliteration standard, but it needs special fonts, and is harder to use. [8/27/2009 2:37:36 PM] Peter says: I love it... [8/27/2009 2:37:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am inspired [8/27/2009 2:38:19 PM] Peter says: This one is called IAST, but you probably can't see all the "accented" characters.. tapta hotā kṣudra antarvyoma pahale vyakti kā, aura taba uṭhatā dhadhaka samudāya kā ākāśa bhī [8/27/2009 2:38:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: wish i cud b as passionate [8/27/2009 2:38:52 PM] Peter says: It comes and goes.... there is always something... [8/27/2009 2:39:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: these accented characters were discouraging me off from exploring- I thought Itrans will have the need of using all those and all keyboards don't straightway support those [8/27/2009 2:40:51 PM] Peter says: Like, in shiipbuilding, and most things, there are the "tricks of the trade" [8/27/2009 2:41:05 PM] Peter says: The same even applies to looking up a dictionary... [8/27/2009 2:41:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: there are tricks of every trade [8/27/2009 2:41:44 PM] Peter says: Navneet, if you don't me mind telling you, a native hindi speaker, how to write hindi, I noticed that you were presenting the ITRANS in "English-style" sentence. [8/27/2009 2:42:57 PM] Peter says: The capital letter at the start of an English sentence is an absolute must, but is quite wrong in ITRANS (and hindi, as you obviously know does not have any capitals).. [8/27/2009 2:43:17 PM] Peter says: The capital letter in ITRANS has a very specific use. [8/27/2009 2:43:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: i have learnt that [8/27/2009 2:43:43 PM] Peter says: eg... aap = Ap [8/27/2009 2:43:46 PM] Peter says: ah.. ok, good [8/27/2009 2:43:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yesterday i wasn't doing that mistake [8/27/2009 2:44:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: *making [8/27/2009 2:44:56 PM] Peter says: That's excellent if you recognized this on the first/second day of using a new program... [8/27/2009 2:45:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: i learnt the importance of S just a while ago and A now  :) [8/27/2009 2:45:50 PM] Peter says: I think it is a lot easier to type the doubled-up normal letters. [8/27/2009 2:46:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes but if u hv some in ur memory u can use the too [8/27/2009 2:46:48 PM] Peter says: I mean, I prefer "too" vs" tO" [8/27/2009 2:47:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but i have n mind that i shouldn't be confusing those reading me. [8/27/2009 2:47:17 PM] Peter says: I am quite used to reading the tO version, but I just prefer typing "oo".. [8/27/2009 2:47:26 PM] Peter says: yes... [8/27/2009 2:47:38 PM] Peter says: I agree [8/27/2009 2:47:49 PM] Peter says: I think the tO is confusing... [8/27/2009 2:48:22 PM] Peter says: I only mentioned it, because the upper-case (capital) version is used quite a lot on web pages. [8/27/2009 2:48:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: if others are unable to get ITRANS help installed- can u give them in excel table form tso that they can refer back and write in whatever font they choose too but i should spell the word right i think [8/27/2009 2:49:18 PM] Peter says: They don't need it installed [8/27/2009 2:50:03 PM] Peter says: They will pick it up from what you write... is really isn't much different to what you were writing.. [8/27/2009 2:50:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: u said they can't get it working because they do have the genuine copy of Xp- so it will be useless for them otherwise [8/27/2009 2:50:25 PM] Peter says: Those programs are for generating Devanagari. [8/27/2009 2:50:39 PM] Peter says: ... by typing ITANS ... [8/27/2009 2:50:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but they should know the exact spellings of the words [8/27/2009 2:51:26 PM] Peter says: in the Devanagai script ? [8/27/2009 2:51:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes [8/27/2009 2:51:36 PM] Peter says: I'm working on that ..... [8/27/2009 2:52:11 PM] Peter says: They won't be able to see the Devanagari in that table [8/27/2009 2:52:45 PM] Peter says: I am making another table which uses the old type of fonts .. TTS [8/27/2009 2:52:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: otherwise they will not be able to write what they learn and me.n mei.n and mai.n he, hai.n hoo.n hoo.N will continue to confuse them [8/27/2009 2:53:16 PM] Peter says: I understand exactly.... [8/27/2009 2:53:56 PM] Peter says: but it is a Catch-22 situation. [8/27/2009 2:54:12 PM] Peter says: Between the devil and the deep blue sea. [8/27/2009 2:54:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will call off now peter- otherwise there be hordes of workers at the gates. they are off by six, we at five. will come on line again after reaching home [8/27/2009 2:55:05 PM] Peter says: If your operating system cannot display Unicode fonts, you are stuck with the old-style of viewing it. [8/27/2009 2:55:28 PM] Peter says: ... sure... bye for now. [8/27/2009 2:55:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: that was very cumbersome- I could never master the keys [8/27/2009 2:56:28 PM] Peter says: I understand.... (very well... computers I understand... Hindi.... give me another 10 years ;) [8/27/2009 2:56:49 PM] Peter says: I will make it easy... (-er) [8/27/2009 2:58:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am sure u will [8/27/2009 3:54:48 PM] Sompong says: shubh dhoop [8/27/2009 3:55:16 PM] Sompong says: (sun) [8/27/2009 4:56:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what is shubh dhoop Sompong hello [8/27/2009 5:00:17 PM] Sompong says: Namaste [8/27/2009 5:00:38 PM] Sompong says: I wanted to say..Good afternoon. [8/27/2009 5:00:47 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste [8/27/2009 5:02:39 PM] Sompong says: Shubh dhoop is right in Hindi, isn't it? [8/27/2009 5:03:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what do you want to say [8/27/2009 5:06:10 PM] Sompong says: At that time I just wanted to say Good afternoon to everyone. [8/27/2009 5:06:49 PM] Sompong says: Shubh dhoop= Good afternoon? [8/27/2009 5:07:12 PM] Sompong says: Aap kaise hain? [8/27/2009 5:08:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: like i said before there are no different salutations for different times in hindi like they are in english but if you must say in hindi then u can say shubh dopaihar [8/27/2009 5:09:01 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: dopaihar means noon but generally taken to mean afternoon [8/27/2009 5:09:38 PM] Sompong says: I am sorry, sometimes I don't remember all you taught. [8/27/2009 5:10:03 PM] Sompong says: and dhoop..what does it mean? [8/27/2009 5:10:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: दोपहर स्त्री. [हिं. दो+पहर] 1. दिन के ठीक मध्य का समय। मध्याह्न। 2. दिन के बारह बजे और उसके आस-पास का कुछ समय़। क्रि.प्र.-चढ़ना।–ढलना [8/27/2009 5:11:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: dhoop means sunshine [8/27/2009 5:11:24 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: will be back in ten minutes [8/27/2009 5:13:02 PM] Sompong says: Some Indians said shubh dhoop. I don't know why they speak this. [8/27/2009 5:14:52 PM] Sompong says: I will use Hindi dictionary open your Hindi sentence above. [8/27/2009 5:16:49 PM] Sompong says: May be I memorized wrong meaning for shubh dhoop. [8/27/2009 5:27:36 PM] Sompong says: आप [8/27/2009 5:28:28 PM] Sompong says: This message has been removed [8/27/2009 5:28:43 PM] Sompong says: This message has been removed [8/27/2009 5:30:31 PM] Sompong says: My keyboard has three langauges. [8/27/2009 5:32:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: आप कैसे हैं या आप कैसे हो [8/27/2009 5:33:29 PM] Sompong says: I have to learn about unicode and Hindi letter with English kayboard prior to using write Hindi. [8/27/2009 5:33:36 PM] Sompong says: hard working. [8/27/2009 5:34:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: आज बहुत दिन बाद धूप निकली है [8/27/2009 5:35:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter is working to help you all. He will soon have a solution [8/27/2009 5:36:22 PM] Sompong says: I will try this with my own first will request to Peter. [8/27/2009 5:38:58 PM] Sompong says: brb [8/27/2009 6:50:46 PM] jayamurugank says: Sab ko Namaste (bow) [8/27/2009 6:51:15 PM] jayamurugank says: Yahan mausaam bahut garmi hai (here it is too hot) (sun) [8/27/2009 6:51:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste jay [8/27/2009 6:51:51 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Navneet ji :) [8/27/2009 6:52:17 PM] jayamurugank says: Vahan mausaam kaisa hai? [8/27/2009 6:52:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yahaan bahut garmi hai- is what we say [8/27/2009 6:53:37 PM] jayamurugank says: garmi = summer, garam = hot... Is this correct? [8/27/2009 6:54:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes correct [8/27/2009 6:55:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: garamii is heat and garam is hot [8/27/2009 6:56:06 PM] jayamurugank says: danyawaad...samjahe [8/27/2009 6:56:30 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the Hindi word for the verb ..reach? [8/27/2009 6:57:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: pahu.nchanaa [8/27/2009 6:59:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n Tiik samay par pahu.nch jaaoo.Ngaa [8/27/2009 6:59:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will reach on time [8/27/2009 7:00:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gaa.Dii Tiik samay par pahu.Nchii [8/27/2009 7:01:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kal Tiik samay par pahu.Nchnaa, dekho der naa karanaa [8/27/2009 7:01:45 PM] jayamurugank says: Aaj paanch baje mein ghar me pahu.nchanaa tha (I reached home 5 o'clock) [8/27/2009 7:02:05 PM] jayamurugank says: not sure if this is correct [8/27/2009 7:04:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aaj paa.nch baje mai.n ghar pahu.nchaa thaa [8/27/2009 7:05:08 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n aaj paa.Nch baje ghar pahu.Nchaa tha [8/27/2009 7:05:48 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the Hindi word for ...leave? [8/27/2009 7:06:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chho.Dnaa [8/27/2009 7:07:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mujhe akelaa chho.D do- Leave me alone [8/27/2009 7:08:40 PM] jayamurugank says: [7:00:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gaa.Dii Tiik samay par pahu.Nchii gaa.Dii = ? par = ? [8/27/2009 7:09:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: main apane bhaaii ko kal station chho.Dne gayaa tha [8/27/2009 7:10:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I had gone to leave my brother at (Railway) station yesterday. literally- ( I ahd gone to see my brother off) [8/27/2009 7:11:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes par is a must- samay par [8/27/2009 7:12:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but when we say gaa.Dii Tiik samay par pahu.Nchii- that means the train reached on time [8/27/2009 7:13:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Tiik means correct, par means On [8/27/2009 7:13:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: i will be back [8/27/2009 7:31:18 PM] jayamurugank says: BRB [8/27/2009 9:46:37 PM] Peter says: +9900827044884586 [8/27/2009 9:48:24 PM] *** nina added pappujhajha to this chat *** [8/28/2009 5:59:05 PM] Sompong says: . [8/28/2009 6:01:01 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hello [8/28/2009 6:01:07 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste [8/28/2009 6:01:26 PM] Sompong says: Namaste [8/28/2009 6:01:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: kya ho raha hai ?/ [8/28/2009 6:04:15 PM] Sompong says: ho raha hai? [8/28/2009 6:04:29 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: what happening [8/28/2009 6:04:49 PM] Sompong says: nothing [8/28/2009 6:05:06 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/28/2009 6:06:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hello everybody- Sompong the reply to Martin's question is- kuchh nahii.n ho raha- Nothing is happening [8/28/2009 6:07:37 PM] Sompong says: Actually he didn't want this answer. [8/28/2009 6:08:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what he wanted then? [8/28/2009 6:08:24 PM] chandan says: Hi......... [8/28/2009 6:08:26 PM] Sompong says: I think that he asked..Aap kaise hain? [8/28/2009 6:08:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Have u read his mind Sompong? [8/28/2009 6:09:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello chandan [8/28/2009 6:09:18 PM] Sompong says: I understood you...Guruji [8/28/2009 6:09:22 PM] chandan says: Hi everyone.......i want to join this tutorial........ [8/28/2009 6:09:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: you are already there chandan [8/28/2009 6:09:45 PM] chandan says: ok [8/28/2009 6:10:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: welcome chandan to the family (bow) [8/28/2009 6:10:38 PM] chandan says: thank u........ [8/28/2009 6:10:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aap Delhi se ho? [8/28/2009 6:11:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap dilii se ho? [8/28/2009 6:11:12 PM] chandan says: yeah i m from delhi...... [8/28/2009 6:11:15 PM] Sompong says: Namaste Chandan! [8/28/2009 6:11:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kahaa.N se ho? [8/28/2009 6:11:23 PM] Peter says: namaste Naveet, and everyone. [8/28/2009 6:11:32 PM] chandan says: namaste......Sompong [8/28/2009 6:11:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste peter [8/28/2009 6:11:47 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji [8/28/2009 6:12:08 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste everyone :) [8/28/2009 6:12:37 PM] Sompong says: (clap) sab ko achha hai. [8/28/2009 6:13:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kaksha me.n aaj bahut se shishya upasthit hai.n [8/28/2009 6:13:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein India (flag:in) se Martin aap ka welcome karta hoon. [8/28/2009 6:13:33 PM] Peter says: Navneet. Here is a link to a program which converts ITRANS into Devanagari .. even for people who do not have a registered version of Window. http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/itranslator99.htm#downloads download, and install Itranslator 99.. [8/28/2009 6:13:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: let me close other work and open my ITRANs file [8/28/2009 6:14:50 PM] jayamurugank says: [6:13:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kaksha me.n aaj bahut se shishya upasthit hai.n kaksha = ? upasthit = ? [8/28/2009 6:15:38 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kakshaa = class, upasthit- present [8/28/2009 6:15:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Kaksha =class and Upasthit = present [8/28/2009 6:16:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Hum Kaksha mai hinid pad rahe hai. [8/28/2009 6:16:20 PM] jayamurugank says: kaksha me.n aaj bahut se shishya upasthit hai.n = many students are present for the class today [8/28/2009 6:17:27 PM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 6:18:06 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: oh you forget Kaksha [8/28/2009 6:18:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Kaksha= class [8/28/2009 6:18:51 PM] jayamurugank says: we are learning Hindi in the class [8/28/2009 6:19:03 PM] Peter says: For people who have a Registered OR Unregistered version of Windows, to enable full Hindi support, you need to go to Regional and Language Options.. and then to the Languages tab.. and add add Supplemental language support... Install files for complex scripts and right-to-left languages... You will need a Windows setup CD. [8/28/2009 6:20:09 PM] Peter says: and for the others. (who cannot get a setup CD) download Itranslator 99 http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/itranslator99.htm#downloads [8/28/2009 6:21:00 PM] Peter says: you will be able to copy what Navneet writes in ITRANS format, and paste it into that program and it will show you the devanagari. [8/28/2009 6:21:45 PM] jayamurugank says: aaj bhi yahaa.n mausaam bahut garmi hai (sun) [8/28/2009 6:22:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: kya varsha nahin ho raha hai TN mai ? [8/28/2009 6:23:55 PM] jayamurugank says: Matin ..do you have registerd version of windows? [8/28/2009 6:24:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Nahin [8/28/2009 6:24:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aaj bhi yahaa.n bahut garamii hai [8/28/2009 6:24:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I am downloading Itranslator 99 [8/28/2009 6:25:40 PM] Peter says: I just changed part of what I wrote... Any Windows system can display the Devanagari.. You do, however, need a setup CD. [8/28/2009 6:26:11 PM] Peter says: Itanslator is an alternative if you can't get hold of the setup CD [8/28/2009 6:26:47 PM] Peter says: Itranslator used old-style fonts (not the modern Unicode type) [8/28/2009 6:27:08 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: its working [8/28/2009 6:27:09 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: wow [8/28/2009 6:27:48 PM] Peter says: In Itranslator, you are only "interested" in the ITRANS and the Devanagari. [8/28/2009 6:27:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa varShaa nahii.n ho rahii hai. varShaa is feminine [8/28/2009 6:29:36 PM] Peter says: Itranslator 2003 is the one to use if you have full hindi support ... Itranslator 2003 uses the modern fonts (Unicode) [8/28/2009 6:30:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 6:30:26 PM] Peter says: get Itanslator 2003 here (it does need full hindi support) http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/itranslator2003.htm#downloads [8/28/2009 6:30:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that sanskrit [8/28/2009 6:31:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that Itrasltor 99 is not good [8/28/2009 6:31:23 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I am facing problem right now [8/28/2009 6:31:39 PM] Peter says: Devanagari is not Sanskrit, Devanagari is not Hindi, Devanagari is not Bengali.. it is all of them, and more. [8/28/2009 6:31:41 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that the sanskrit its not hindi [8/28/2009 6:32:00 PM] Peter says: go PM [8/28/2009 6:37:50 PM] Sompong says: Devanagari is an alphabet which use write Sanskrit and others languages in India, isn't it? [8/28/2009 6:38:12 PM] Peter says: some other, not all... [8/28/2009 6:38:39 PM] Peter says: Martin got it working... [8/28/2009 6:38:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: devnaagri is the script for writing hindi [8/28/2009 6:40:28 PM] Peter says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 6:40:51 PM] Peter says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 6:41:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: peter that will be a bit of overdose of info [8/28/2009 6:41:44 PM] Peter says: :) [8/28/2009 6:43:45 PM] Sompong says: Overdose can use with information. [8/28/2009 6:46:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: can this soft ware traslate Hindi to Englsh [8/28/2009 6:47:51 PM] Peter says: no.. it converts ITRANS into Devanagari (and back the other way) .. It is for anyone who want so see what the Devanagari looks like .... [8/28/2009 6:47:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: why u want a soft where for translating hindi to english? try google language tools [8/28/2009 7:03:55 PM] jayamurugank says: [6:14:50 PM] jayamurugank says: [6:13:16 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kaksha me.n aaj bahut se shishya upasthit hai.n bahut se shishya.. = good number of students bahut shishya = good students Is my understanding correct? [8/28/2009 7:05:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: first one is correct- bahut se means many [8/28/2009 7:05:31 PM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 7:05:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut say- many, a good many but not good students [8/28/2009 7:05:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut means many [8/28/2009 7:06:43 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut baarish, bahut dhoop, bahut tez doop, but bahut se log, bahut si gaa.Diyaa.N [8/28/2009 7:08:27 PM] Sompong says: . [8/28/2009 7:10:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut der kar dii tumne- you have made it very late [8/28/2009 7:10:40 PM] jayamurugank says: dhoop =? doop = ? gaa.Diyaa.N = ? [8/28/2009 7:10:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut mazaa aayaa- enjoyed a lot [8/28/2009 7:11:25 PM] jayamurugank says: tez = ? [8/28/2009 7:11:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: dhoop- sunshine [8/28/2009 7:12:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gaa.Diyaa.N- collectively used for all sorts of cars, buses etc. [8/28/2009 7:14:14 PM] jayamurugank says: dhoop and doop .... both mean the same? [8/28/2009 7:16:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: doop is no word even the word for dhoop- agarbatii is written as dhoop let me check on that [8/28/2009 7:20:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: doop is no word [8/28/2009 7:21:00 PM] jayamurugank says: dhanyawaad [8/28/2009 7:21:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tez means fast, quick, sharp [8/28/2009 7:23:01 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tez baarish, tez dhaar- sharp edge (of knife, sword), tez chalo- walk fast [8/28/2009 7:28:36 PM] jayamurugank says: BRB [8/28/2009 7:29:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: taking a break for dinner [8/28/2009 9:06:47 PM] jayamurugank says: [7:10:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut der kar dii tumne- you have made it very late der kar dii = ? [8/28/2009 9:06:56 PM] jayamurugank says: kar matlab do [8/28/2009 9:07:05 PM] jayamurugank says: not sure about ....der and dii [8/28/2009 9:08:22 PM] Peter says: Here are some of Navneet's previous pharases aap dillii se ho? आप दिल्ली से हो? Are you from Delhi? aap kahaa.N se ho? आप कहाँ से हो? where are you from? kakShaa me.n aaj bahut se shiShy upasthit hai.n कक्षा में आज बहुत से शिष्य उपस्थित हैं many students are present in class today aaj bhii yahaa.n bahut garamii hai आज भी यहां बहुत गरमी है it is very hot here today [8/28/2009 9:09:49 PM] jayamurugank says: aap kahaa.N se ho? Peter [8/28/2009 9:11:48 PM] Peter says: mai.n Australia se hoo.N [8/28/2009 9:13:02 PM] Peter says: This message has been removed [8/28/2009 9:14:09 PM] jayamurugank says: Vahaan mausaam kaisaa hai? [8/28/2009 9:15:43 PM] Peter says: correction [8/28/2009 9:15:54 PM] Peter says: hoo.N is the full chandra-bindu. and hooM is just the dot (ansuvara, I think) [8/28/2009 9:16:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kar is from karanaa-do and dii is from dena- give. Kar dena is sort of a phrase- der karanaa or der kar denaa. [8/28/2009 9:19:27 PM] jayamurugank says: danyawaad Navneet ji [8/28/2009 9:19:53 PM] jayamurugank says: we have been learning a lot since you joined here... Thanks a lot. [8/28/2009 9:20:31 PM] Peter says: Navneet, can you explain what "kyaa" is doing in this phrase? kyaa varShaa nahii.n ho rahii hai [8/28/2009 9:21:24 PM] Peter says: ... I can't see how what? / how? / why? fits. [8/28/2009 9:21:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: der means late, make late, jaldii means early, quick- jaldii karo kahi.n der na ho jaaye. Hurry up lest we get late. [8/28/2009 9:22:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kya makes it interrogative [8/28/2009 9:22:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Is it not raining? [8/28/2009 9:22:58 PM] Peter says: I see, so it is not always what/how/why.. [8/28/2009 9:23:10 PM] Peter says: ... a general interrogative. [8/28/2009 9:23:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa mai.n andar aa sakta hoo.n- Can I come in? [8/28/2009 9:23:39 PM] Peter says: yes, thanks... [8/28/2009 9:24:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tum paagal ho- u r mad. kyaa tum paagal ho? Are you mad? [8/28/2009 9:29:39 PM] jayamurugank says: kyaa mai.n bahaar ja sakta hoon.n = can I go out Is this sentence correct? [8/28/2009 9:32:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes this is correct, like a child asking permission from his parents for going out. [8/28/2009 9:34:53 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/28/2009 9:36:51 PM] Peter says: good night, all... It is much later than I thought... and a big day tomorrow. [8/28/2009 9:37:24 PM] jayamurugank says: kyaa mai.n ither so sakta hoo.n = can I sleep here? [8/28/2009 9:40:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: kyaa mai.n idhar so sakataa hoo.n- Can I sleep here? Not sa but so- sona is a verb- to sleep [8/28/2009 9:40:43 PM] jayamurugank says: yes.. I corrected it... dhanyawaad [8/28/2009 9:44:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok- Jay and everyone here- Good Night [8/28/2009 9:44:49 PM] jayamurugank says: bahut danyaawad Naveent ji.... shubh raat [8/28/2009 9:44:57 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) [8/28/2009 9:45:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: u r welcome. the word for night is raat not raath [8/28/2009 9:46:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: or rath- rath means chariot [8/28/2009 9:46:30 PM] jayamurugank says: yes.. in Tamil too...ratham means chariot [8/28/2009 9:46:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ratham from Sanskrit [8/28/2009 9:50:31 PM] jayamurugank says: Had the government made Sanskirt as a common lanaguage for all Indians, we would not need to learn too many languages [8/28/2009 9:50:44 PM] jayamurugank says: lol [8/28/2009 9:51:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Radha Krishnan was a great Sanskrit scholar [8/28/2009 9:52:47 PM] jayamurugank says: In one of his books, Osho wrote very high of Sanskrit. [8/28/2009 9:53:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mother of all Indian languages [8/28/2009 9:53:38 PM] jayamurugank says: I see. [8/28/2009 9:54:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- shubh raatrii [8/28/2009 9:54:16 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) bye [8/29/2009 12:33:49 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste (bow) [8/29/2009 12:38:44 PM] jayamurugank says: seekna = learn dehekna = view or see lekhna = write kehena = say [8/29/2009 12:39:47 PM] jayamurugank says: kyaa mai.n ither seek sakta hoo.n = can I write here? [8/29/2009 12:40:24 PM] Peter says: namaste jayam... [8/29/2009 12:41:03 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Peter ji :) [8/29/2009 12:42:31 PM] Peter says: I think you'll find that the "na" ending of most of the verb infinitive are actually "naa"; the long vowel sound.. [8/29/2009 12:43:13 PM] jayamurugank says: we have power cut today. Once in a month we are without power from 9 a.m to 5 p.m. I have an inverter and it can last only 3 hours. [8/29/2009 12:43:42 PM] Peter says: wow.. .a holiday from the machine ... [8/29/2009 12:44:09 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/29/2009 12:44:34 PM] jayamurugank says: so I have to use the inverter power frugally..so that I can enjoy the saturday. [8/29/2009 12:44:41 PM] jayamurugank says: :D [8/29/2009 12:45:18 PM] Peter says: ah, yes... [8/29/2009 12:46:22 PM] jayamurugank says: [12:42:31 PM] Peter says: I think you'll find that the "na" ending of most of the verb infinitive are actually "naa"; the long vowel sound.. do you mean to say...it is seeknaa not seekna? [8/29/2009 12:46:33 PM] Peter says: yes.. [8/29/2009 12:46:53 PM] Peter says: in the infinitive form of the verb. [8/29/2009 12:50:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I may not be online for long- just saw ur conversation and thought I too may add my bit. Jayam the word is siikhna [8/29/2009 12:51:10 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: sorry siikhnaa [8/29/2009 12:51:26 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Navneet ji :) [8/29/2009 12:52:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Namaste- kyaa me.n yahaa.N hindii seekh sakta hoo.N [8/29/2009 12:52:59 PM] Peter says: namaste Navneet [8/29/2009 12:53:11 PM] jayamurugank says: Can I learn Hindi here = kyaa me.n yahaa.N hindii seekh sakta hoo.N ? [8/29/2009 12:54:10 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste- peter siikhnaa must be followed by the object [8/29/2009 12:55:14 PM] Peter says: a transitive verb .. ? [8/29/2009 12:55:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not followed to be true because the word order in hindi is variable. mai.n cycle chalaana siikhnaa chahataa hoo.N [8/29/2009 12:55:54 PM] Peter says: wikipedia: a transitive verb is a verb that requires both a direct subject and one or more objects. [8/29/2009 12:56:20 PM] Peter says: sounds like it.. I've never been really clear about these terms. [8/29/2009 12:56:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: One mistake I made above mai.n means I and me.n means in [8/29/2009 12:56:38 PM] Peter says: yes... [8/29/2009 12:58:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes transitive verb- we were muddled with transitive and intransitive the other day too. Let's say one form and the other form. [8/29/2009 12:58:31 PM] jayamurugank says: mai.n cycle chalaana siikhnaa chahataa hoo.N ..please write the English translation of this sentence [8/29/2009 12:59:13 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I want to learn to ride bicycle. [8/29/2009 1:00:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n bandook chalaana siikhna chahta hoo.N. I want to learn to use the gun [8/29/2009 1:01:13 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chalaana actually means 'to move' [8/29/2009 1:01:55 PM] jayamurugank says: mai.m ek movie dekhnaa chahtaa hoo.N = I want to see a movie [8/29/2009 1:02:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but is used in varied forms. mai.ne khota sikkaa bhi chalaa diyaa. I passed off the fake coin too. [8/29/2009 1:03:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes that's correct [8/29/2009 1:03:43 PM] Peter says: chahtaa (or chahta? or is it actually different in both [8/29/2009 1:05:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chaahataa- peter still make mistakes because i don't refer to the itrans codes and old senile brain has more dead grey cells than the active ones [8/29/2009 1:06:07 PM] Peter says: I understand, of course.... [8/29/2009 1:07:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: चाहता [8/29/2009 1:08:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: चलना, चलाना [8/29/2009 1:08:21 PM] Peter says: so, technically, it is spelt .. chaahataa but I assume the "a" after the "h" is virtually silent in normal speech ? [8/29/2009 1:08:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: खोटा, सिक्का [8/29/2009 1:09:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: h is soft but distinct [8/29/2009 1:09:50 PM] Peter says: the half-h looks different चाह्ता [8/29/2009 1:10:25 PM] Peter says: the "a" vowel is soft ? [8/29/2009 1:11:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes it looks different बाह्य baahya- outer [8/29/2009 1:11:24 PM] Peter says: Jayam, you can see what this looks like in (Itranslator) .. just type the words in (in ITRANS... with and without the "a" [8/29/2009 1:12:14 PM] Peter says: ok.. I am one small step closer... now... [8/29/2009 1:12:26 PM] Peter says: many more small steps to come ... [8/29/2009 1:13:43 PM] jayamurugank says: Here in the chat I can see only square boxes [8/29/2009 1:13:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: here h is half and joined with ya. they are called biconsonantal conjuncts- learnt recently about what they are called [8/29/2009 1:14:33 PM] Peter says: (yes... try to get hold of that Windows install disk, if you can) [8/29/2009 1:15:03 PM] jayamurugank says: yes..I have asked my friend..possible he will get it on Monday [8/29/2009 1:15:04 PM] Peter says: wow what a word! [8/29/2009 1:15:20 PM] Peter says: also known as ligatures, I believe.. [8/29/2009 1:15:31 PM] Peter says: litature (means tied together) [8/29/2009 1:15:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter when I too switch between Itrans and english, it sometimes writes squares when writing hindi and question marks when writing english but by switching over two three times it toggles finally [8/29/2009 1:16:50 PM] Peter says: I also find that it is "not-quite-right".... but I hope I discover what it likes, and doesn't like... [8/29/2009 1:18:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but some people, you come across are so thorough and passionate that you are shit scared to guide them but still I do. wordreference.com is another place where I try my mettle [8/29/2009 1:19:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: wordanywhere is where Jayam found me [8/29/2009 1:20:03 PM] Peter says: you guys a throwing around some pretty major english word.. It is keeping me on my toes.. [8/29/2009 1:20:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: english or hindi? [8/29/2009 1:21:09 PM] Peter says: english.. (but yes, hindi too) mettle [8/29/2009 1:21:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: your english by default must be better than mine [8/29/2009 1:22:26 PM] Peter says: and Jayam... "frugally" [8/29/2009 1:23:04 PM] Peter says: yes... but none the less, I am most impressed with yours and Jayam's. [8/29/2009 1:23:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: 1. strength of character: spirited determination 2. inherent temperament: the mental and emotional character unique to an individual person [8/29/2009 1:24:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not connoisseur just a dabbler I am [8/29/2009 1:26:14 PM] Peter says: connoisseur.. and you spelt is correctly too !!! :) [8/29/2009 1:26:26 PM] Peter says: I had to check.... I think I would have got it wrong.. [8/29/2009 1:27:47 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: It being not my mother tongue, I am more careful and as I said, I could have done better maybe if my father had seen this streak in me early in my life- not blaming him though [8/29/2009 1:28:29 PM] Peter says: yes.. I understand... [8/29/2009 1:28:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: everytime I don't make mistakes like nuisance and nuance but I do [8/29/2009 1:30:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: time to pack up- will come on line later again [8/29/2009 1:30:45 PM] jayamurugank says: see you.. Navneet ji (wave) [8/29/2009 1:30:50 PM] Peter says: ok, Navneet, bye for now.. it will give me time to review what you have presented here.. [8/29/2009 1:30:55 PM] Peter says: bye... [8/29/2009 1:31:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bye- will see you if your inverter power holds or you revert back to the main supply [8/29/2009 1:31:51 PM] jayamurugank says: Power will resume only at 5 p.m [8/29/2009 1:32:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste [8/29/2009 1:32:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namsate [8/29/2009 1:32:35 PM] jayamurugank says: namaste [8/29/2009 1:32:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no first I wrote correctly namaste [8/29/2009 1:32:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: sa is half [8/29/2009 1:34:04 PM] Peter says: namaste नमस्ते [8/29/2009 1:35:08 PM] Peter says: na ma ste [8/29/2009 1:36:14 PM] Peter says: st = the two consonants are tightly together (no vowel in between) [8/29/2009 1:36:51 PM] Peter says: sat = exactly what it looks like.. the "a" is pronounced "a" = short "a" [8/29/2009 1:37:17 PM] Peter says: "aa" = long sounding "aa" [8/29/2009 1:38:29 PM] Peter says: in ITRANS "aa" can be represented a "A" "a" and "A" are different sounds ! A = aa [8/29/2009 1:38:48 PM] Peter says: and the same thing is shown in devanagari, of course... [8/29/2009 1:41:45 PM] jayamurugank says: time to log out .... phir milenge (wave) [8/29/2009 1:42:14 PM] Peter says: phir mile.nge jayam [8/29/2009 1:47:38 PM] Sompong says: अ आ आ [8/29/2009 1:48:14 PM] Peter says: wow... a aa aa [8/29/2009 1:49:27 PM] Sompong says: I am practisig using yr programme [8/29/2009 1:49:50 PM] Sompong says: I wrote..a aa A [8/29/2009 1:50:37 PM] Peter says: good... [8/29/2009 1:51:03 PM] Peter says: ii = I uu = U [8/29/2009 1:51:18 PM] Peter says: the vowels are like this [8/29/2009 1:51:34 PM] Sompong says: I want the period of time 2 years... :) [8/29/2009 1:52:02 PM] Peter says: 2 years? for what ? [8/29/2009 1:52:20 PM] Sompong says: Just joking [8/29/2009 1:52:51 PM] Peter says: aap kaise ho आप कैसे हो [8/29/2009 1:52:52 PM] Sompong says: look at my face :) [8/29/2009 1:54:08 PM] Peter says: ha = ह ho = हो [8/29/2009 1:54:29 PM] Peter says: hai = है [8/29/2009 1:55:17 PM] Peter says: when the vowel are in a word, the appear as "accent" symbols attached to the consonant.. [8/29/2009 1:55:32 PM] Peter says: hi = हि [8/29/2009 1:55:33 PM] Sompong says: आप कीसे हो [8/29/2009 1:55:44 PM] Peter says: hii = ही [8/29/2009 1:55:54 PM] Sompong says: हि [8/29/2009 1:56:03 PM] Sompong says: ही [8/29/2009 1:56:29 PM] Peter says: "i" actually appears before the consonant.. but is pronounced after the consonant.. [8/29/2009 1:56:43 PM] Peter says: "ii" appears after the consonant.. [8/29/2009 1:57:54 PM] Peter says: yes... hu = हु huu = हू [8/29/2009 1:58:42 PM] Peter says: h is a bit different to most consonants... use k when you first start.. [8/29/2009 1:59:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar [8/29/2009 2:00:04 PM] Sompong says: ह [8/29/2009 2:01:16 PM] Peter says: ka kaa ki kii ku kuu ke kai ko kau क का कि की कु कू के कै को कौ [8/29/2009 2:02:34 PM] Sompong says: नमकर = Namaskar? [8/29/2009 2:03:02 PM] Sompong says: Namaste Martin [8/29/2009 2:03:09 PM] Peter says: na yes ma yes no.... you wrote kar [8/29/2009 2:03:17 PM] Peter says: you forgot the s [8/29/2009 2:03:25 PM] Peter says: na ma ste [8/29/2009 2:03:37 PM] Peter says: नमस्ते [8/29/2009 2:03:52 PM] Sompong says: haha..I wrote..namaskar [8/29/2009 2:04:03 PM] Peter says: actually I just realized that.... [8/29/2009 2:04:29 PM] Peter says: but no "s" [8/29/2009 2:05:13 PM] Peter says: namaskaar [8/29/2009 2:06:16 PM] Peter says: namas = a bow, salutation, paying honour [8/29/2009 2:06:38 PM] Sompong says: First of all I have to memorize English transliteration to devanagari. [8/29/2009 2:07:52 PM] Peter says: yes... and really they are exactly the same.. [8/29/2009 2:07:58 PM] Peter says: but !!!!!!! [8/29/2009 2:08:41 PM] Peter says: remember it is not English.... it is Latin, or German, French .. [8/29/2009 2:09:01 PM] Peter says: the script is a Roman script... [8/29/2009 2:09:24 PM] Peter says: English uses it .. and so do most other European languages... [8/29/2009 2:09:29 PM] Sompong says: must be memorized because my keyboard is English language to Hindi. [8/29/2009 2:09:47 PM] Peter says: and you can use if for Hindi too... but it is not actually "English"... [8/29/2009 2:10:40 PM] Sompong says: now I am being on Hindi programme. [8/29/2009 2:10:46 PM] Peter says: A German person would say we are using the German alphabet. [8/29/2009 2:11:00 PM] Peter says: and he/she would be correct... [8/29/2009 2:11:17 PM] Sompong says: I see [8/29/2009 2:11:22 PM] Peter says: you are doing really well... [8/29/2009 2:12:03 PM] Sompong says: shukriya [8/29/2009 2:12:45 PM] Peter says: sompong.. the capital "S" is wrong... [8/29/2009 2:12:58 PM] Peter says: In hindi there are no capital letters [8/29/2009 2:13:00 PM] Sompong says: शुक्रिय [8/29/2009 2:13:09 PM] Jino.p.joy says: Shukriya [8/29/2009 2:13:11 PM] Peter says: sh and Sh are completely different sounds [8/29/2009 2:13:16 PM] Jino.p.joy says: :) [8/29/2009 2:13:46 PM] Peter says: sh Sh श ष [8/29/2009 2:13:50 PM] Sompong says: I rewort it..shukriya [8/29/2009 2:14:45 PM] Peter says: shukriyaa … a long vowel ending [8/29/2009 2:14:53 PM] Peter says: शुक्रिया [8/29/2009 2:15:48 PM] Peter says: n.m. (noun masculine) thanks (giving), (expression of) gratitude; (statement) thanks !, thank you !; [8/29/2009 2:17:47 PM] Sompong says: a...short sound ending in word shukriya...Isn't it right? [8/29/2009 2:18:20 PM] Peter says: it should be "aa" [8/29/2009 2:19:11 PM] Sompong says: Okay..I typed only a... [8/29/2009 2:19:37 PM] Sompong says: Next time I will type shukriyaa [8/29/2009 2:19:38 PM] Peter says: I think it is an Urdu word.. (Persian origin) [8/29/2009 2:20:24 PM] Peter says: whereas "namaste" is of Sanskrit origin [8/29/2009 2:25:37 PM] Sompong says: I don't yet understand quite well about English capital letter to Hindi. [8/29/2009 2:26:13 PM] Peter says: English uses capital letters for special situation. [8/29/2009 2:26:37 PM] Peter says: eg. The first letter at the start of all sentences [8/29/2009 2:27:07 PM] Peter says: Hindi has no capital letters, not ever! [8/29/2009 2:27:19 PM] Sompong says: I see in English but how about Hindi. [8/29/2009 2:27:38 PM] Sompong says: nahin [8/29/2009 2:28:49 PM] Peter says: ... however, when you write Hindi using the "German" script or "French"... (you know what I mean.. the words I am typing now are English, but the script I am typing in is not "owned" by English... [8/29/2009 2:29:07 PM] Sompong says: I mean I saw some letter of English-Hindi using capital letter. [8/29/2009 2:29:37 PM] Peter says: when you type Hindi using *this* script..... you are writing Hindi [8/29/2009 2:30:14 PM] Peter says: ...and in Hindi, the concept of a capital letter does not exist ! [8/29/2009 2:30:42 PM] Peter says: There are no special "first letters" of a hindi sentence... [8/29/2009 2:31:12 PM] Sompong says: I mean English-Hindi and not Hindi. [8/29/2009 2:31:31 PM] Peter says: English Hindi is NOT English Hindi.. it is Hindi. [8/29/2009 2:31:56 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/29/2009 2:32:12 PM] Peter says: it is Hindi using another script... (and it not exclusively an English script... [8/29/2009 2:32:49 PM] Peter says: Many countries and languages use it.... It is a Roman script... it originates from 2000 years ago... [8/29/2009 2:33:21 PM] Sompong says: I see [8/29/2009 2:34:45 PM] Peter says: and in the same way that you cannot say that Gernamy uses *the* English script.. also, Hindi is not using *the* English script.... it is using the Roman script [8/29/2009 2:35:03 PM] Sompong says: shubham..means.. [8/29/2009 2:35:23 PM] Peter says: The English connection here is that we are using the English *alphabet".... [8/29/2009 2:35:42 PM] Peter says: शुबम [8/29/2009 2:37:28 PM] Peter says: I am using the dictionary.... [8/29/2009 2:37:38 PM] Sompong says: शुभम [8/29/2009 2:37:54 PM] Peter says: it must be some variation of shubh [8/29/2009 2:38:21 PM] Peter says: shubhaa = the fem. version [8/29/2009 2:38:33 PM] Peter says: = Bright, shining, splendid; handsome, beautiful; auspicious, fortunate, lucky, happy; [8/29/2009 2:38:43 PM] Peter says: lots of good words.... [8/29/2009 2:39:28 PM] Sompong says: Why my Hindi word is differnet from yours? [8/29/2009 2:39:48 PM] Peter says: shubhaa.ng = Handsome-limbed, beautifully formed, handsome, elegant; [8/29/2009 2:39:50 PM] Sompong says: word above!!!! [8/29/2009 2:42:00 PM] Peter says: the spelling: शुभम = shubham but I don't know for sure what it means... but it *may* (or may not) be shubhaa.ng (the pronunciations would be similar).. but this is beyond what I know.. Navneet is the man for this... [8/29/2009 2:44:07 PM] Sompong says: Pls look at your Hindi word above what you wrote and its meaning. [8/29/2009 2:44:39 PM] Sompong says: at 4:10 pm my time [8/29/2009 2:44:52 PM] Peter says: I am not sure which line you mean. Can you copy and paste it here.. [8/29/2009 2:45:24 PM] Peter says: the spelling: शुभम = shubham This one ? [8/29/2009 2:45:47 PM] Sompong says: Haha..I don't know your time at that time. [8/29/2009 2:47:37 PM] Sompong says: twentieth line when you scroll back. [8/29/2009 2:48:09 PM] Sompong says: [4:10:14 PM] Peter: The English connection here is that we are using the English *alphabet".... शुबम <<< [8/29/2009 2:49:28 PM] Peter says: ah.. I see [8/29/2009 2:50:14 PM] Peter says: I typed it incorrectly .. I typed shubam instead of shubham [8/29/2009 2:50:34 PM] Sompong says: I see now. [8/29/2009 2:50:43 PM] Peter says: b bh ब भ [8/29/2009 2:51:20 PM] Sompong says: Peter...My brain is warning me to take a break 20 minutes. [8/29/2009 2:51:34 PM] Peter says: hehe :) [8/29/2009 2:51:47 PM] Peter says: good idea (coffee) [8/29/2009 2:51:53 PM] Sompong says: :D shubham [8/29/2009 4:09:52 PM] Sompong says: Now I am reading the old messages of yours. [8/29/2009 4:10:24 PM] Sompong says: Some places were funny word. [8/29/2009 4:11:17 PM] Sompong says: namaste..Maree [8/29/2009 4:11:22 PM] Sompong says: Peter is here. [8/29/2009 4:11:57 PM] Maree says: namaste Sompong [8/29/2009 4:12:40 PM] Sompong says: aap kaise hain? [8/29/2009 4:13:45 PM] Maree says: mai.n thaki huii huu.n [8/29/2009 4:14:14 PM] Maree says: I want to stay and learn hindi here but I am going to have to go to bed. Too many late nights in a row. [8/29/2009 4:14:43 PM] Maree says: Sompong aap kaha.n se hai.n? [8/29/2009 4:14:43 PM] Sompong says: What time is it over there? [8/29/2009 4:15:18 PM] Sompong says: main Thailand se hoon. [8/29/2009 4:15:29 PM] Maree says: shaam ke paune gyarah baje hai.n [8/29/2009 4:15:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: mere naam martin hai. mai India say hoon. [8/29/2009 4:15:51 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste [8/29/2009 4:16:02 PM] Sompong says: I don't know your last sentence.. :) [8/29/2009 4:16:17 PM] Maree says: namaste martin [8/29/2009 4:16:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji [8/29/2009 4:16:40 PM] Maree says: I am not sure if it is absolutely correct sompong [8/29/2009 4:16:49 PM] Maree says: 10.45pm [8/29/2009 4:17:22 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: shaam nahin Raat ke paune gyarah baje hai. [8/29/2009 4:17:44 PM] Maree says: dhanyavaad martin :) [8/29/2009 4:18:00 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Bakshi ji kaha hai? [8/29/2009 4:18:14 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aur peter ji kya kar rahe hai? [8/29/2009 4:18:54 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Marre ji aap new zealand se ho. [8/29/2009 4:19:14 PM] Peter says: namaste Martin... [8/29/2009 4:19:22 PM] Maree says: haan martin main nz se huu.n [8/29/2009 4:20:00 PM] Maree says: india me.n aap kaha.n se hai.n? [8/29/2009 4:20:00 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Peter ji [8/29/2009 4:20:21 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mai New Delhi se hoo. [8/29/2009 4:21:36 PM] Maree says: achchha [8/29/2009 4:22:00 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aap kya karte ho? Maree ji [8/29/2009 4:23:21 PM] Maree says: mai.n housewife huu.n [8/29/2009 4:23:30 PM] Maree says: I cant remember the word [8/29/2009 4:26:40 PM] Maree says: mai.n bhi supermarket me.n kaam karti huu.n [8/29/2009 4:28:03 PM] Maree says: mai.n saptah me.n teen hi din kaam karti huu.n [8/29/2009 4:29:28 PM] Maree says: sab log kaha.n hai.n [8/29/2009 4:29:52 PM] Sompong says: I am here [8/29/2009 4:31:04 PM] Maree says: :) [8/29/2009 4:31:34 PM] Maree says: Sompong aap kya karte hai.n? [8/29/2009 4:32:29 PM] Sompong says: Main office worker hoon. [8/29/2009 4:34:39 PM] Sompong says: I am finding out Hindi word " housewife" in the first day you came in here. [8/29/2009 4:35:39 PM] Maree says: do you know what it is? [8/29/2009 4:36:33 PM] Sompong says: I memorized that Navneet told us that day. [8/29/2009 4:37:03 PM] Sompong says: finding out it now. (sweat) [8/29/2009 4:37:36 PM] Maree says: wow ... I am impressed [8/29/2009 4:37:50 PM] Maree says: hehe don't worry [8/29/2009 4:39:12 PM] Sompong says: saptaah =? [8/29/2009 4:39:33 PM] Maree says: week [8/29/2009 4:40:08 PM] Maree says: saptaah * [8/29/2009 4:40:10 PM] Peter says: सप्ताह saptaah [8/29/2009 4:42:03 PM] Peter says: sompong * pa = प * ta = त * pta = प्त ... the "p" is a half-p .. no vowel [8/29/2009 4:44:53 PM] Sompong says: no vowel but you put it now. [8/29/2009 4:45:26 PM] Sompong says: I don't get these. [8/29/2009 4:45:38 PM] Peter says: all hindi consonant have a built in vowel "a" [8/29/2009 4:45:45 PM] Peter says: pa = प [8/29/2009 4:46:03 PM] Peter says: This message has been removed [8/29/2009 4:46:19 PM] Maree says: sompong kya mai.n aapse ek savaal puuch sakti huu.n [8/29/2009 4:47:22 PM] Sompong says: (sweat) [8/29/2009 4:47:40 PM] Maree says: it's ok :) [8/29/2009 4:47:49 PM] Peter says: (some other time.. sompong... [8/29/2009 4:48:17 PM] Maree says: Sompong can I ask you a question [8/29/2009 4:48:35 PM] Maree says: that is what i wrote... i was trying to anyway [8/29/2009 4:49:07 PM] Sompong says: Could you see my face? [8/29/2009 4:49:13 PM] Maree says: yes yes [8/29/2009 4:49:32 PM] Maree says: ohhh so you understood the sentence? [8/29/2009 4:49:42 PM] Sompong says: nahin [8/29/2009 4:49:46 PM] Maree says: ok ok [8/29/2009 4:49:56 PM] Sompong says: I know only some Hindi words. [8/29/2009 4:50:09 PM] Maree says: i understand ...me too [8/29/2009 4:50:30 PM] Maree says: let's try this one [8/29/2009 4:50:51 PM] Maree says: aap kyo.n hindi siikh rahe hai.n [8/29/2009 4:51:18 PM] Sompong says: haan [8/29/2009 4:51:27 PM] Maree says: why are you learning hindi [8/29/2009 4:52:18 PM] Sompong says: Indian culture is interesting. [8/29/2009 4:52:31 PM] Maree says: yes I agree [8/29/2009 4:52:58 PM] Sompong says: kyo.n= why? [8/29/2009 4:53:12 PM] Maree says: yessssssssssssss [8/29/2009 4:53:14 PM] Maree says: hehe [8/29/2009 4:53:48 PM] Peter says: I was just looking it up in the dictionary.... why? how? what? well? then, because [8/29/2009 4:54:06 PM] Maree says: what = kyaa [8/29/2009 4:54:14 PM] Maree says: why = kyo.n [8/29/2009 4:54:22 PM] Peter says: ahhh... [8/29/2009 4:54:23 PM] Maree says: where = kaha.n [8/29/2009 4:54:25 PM] Sompong says: ee aur ii are different, aren't they? Peter! [8/29/2009 4:54:34 PM] Maree says: who= kaun [8/29/2009 4:54:41 PM] Peter says: in ITRANS ...yes [8/29/2009 4:54:49 PM] Peter says: there is no "ee" in ITRANS [8/29/2009 4:55:50 PM] Maree says: you might have seen 'siikhnaa' written as 'seekhna' t he ee sound is ii [8/29/2009 4:56:15 PM] Peter says: a .. aa (short .. long) i .. ii (short .. long) e .. ai (short .. long) o .. au (short .. long) u .. uu (short .. long) [8/29/2009 4:57:37 PM] Maree says: ok guys I would love to stay longer but it is already 11.30pm [8/29/2009 4:57:54 PM] Maree says: phir milenge New Zealand se [8/29/2009 4:58:22 PM] Maree says: take care guys [8/29/2009 4:58:27 PM] Peter says: bye Maree... Have a nice rest in the "Land of the Long White Cloud" [8/29/2009 4:58:39 PM] Maree says: I will look forward to reading the conversation tomorrow [8/29/2009 4:58:49 PM] Sompong says: Phir milenge [8/29/2009 4:58:57 PM] Maree says: thanks Peter [8/29/2009 4:59:02 PM] Sompong says: shukriya..Maree [8/29/2009 4:59:31 PM] Maree says: and we will definately talk again Sompong [8/29/2009 4:59:32 PM] Maree says: byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [8/29/2009 5:00:05 PM] Sompong says: achha hai [8/29/2009 5:00:09 PM] Sompong says: bye [8/29/2009 6:58:26 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/17/2009 8:36:05 PM] Peter says: grahiNee, sugrahiNee = house-wife, good house-wife [8/29/2009 6:58:48 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/17/2009 8:40:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: All words with su- have a good meaning- Sulabh, Sugam- Easy. Suvidha- Convenience [8/17/2009 8:41:57 PM] Peter says: su as a prefix seems to represent the "very good, excellent, best, most" version of something.. Is this so Navneet ? [8/17/2009 8:43:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: susati- Laziness  :) but this word though used in Hindi doesn't have Sanskrit as it's origin, Subha- Morning- This too has come from middle-east languages [8/17/2009 8:44:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: If the word is of Sanskrit origin then Su- will stand for enhancing it's meaning [8/29/2009 7:01:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sorry, I was invited for a dinner, so could not log on earlier but dear friends I am impressed beyond expression. I have no words to say, how happy I am and it's all your effort. I won't like to take any credit even if you ask me too. Such flawless conversation in such a short period of time- excellent [8/29/2009 7:01:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: *ask me to [8/29/2009 7:05:57 PM] jayamurugank says: Thanks for the compliment Navneet ji.. As I said yesterday... we have been learning a lot since you joined this chat...... [8/29/2009 7:06:06 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/29/2009 7:06:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: keep it up Jayam. I will be happy to contribute [8/29/2009 7:07:16 PM] jayamurugank says: especially we learn things correctly... :) [8/29/2009 7:11:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter then is 'tab' in Hindi and 'well' is contextual achchhaa, Tiik [8/29/2009 7:12:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am sure you are finding it easy now [8/29/2009 7:16:44 PM] jayamurugank says: yes ..surely [8/29/2009 8:19:50 PM] jayamurugank says: aap kyo.n ja rahe hai.n = why are you going? [8/29/2009 8:20:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: very good [8/29/2009 8:21:30 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji [8/29/2009 8:21:33 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/29/2009 8:21:39 PM] jayamurugank says: danyawaad [8/29/2009 8:21:48 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Martin :) [8/29/2009 8:22:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Jaya you are really doing very well [8/29/2009 8:22:23 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [8/29/2009 8:22:33 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Jayam ram is a very keen learner [8/29/2009 8:22:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Martin you too [8/29/2009 8:23:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: :) [8/29/2009 8:23:04 PM] jayamurugank says: I am trying to make many senteces with I have learnt [8/29/2009 8:23:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: accha hai. [8/29/2009 8:23:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: give some words to Martin too, now when he is here [8/29/2009 8:23:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: theek hai [8/29/2009 8:24:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hum sab mil kar practise karte hai. [8/29/2009 8:26:20 PM] jayamurugank says: mil? [8/29/2009 8:26:35 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: milkar [8/29/2009 8:26:47 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Milkar= together [8/29/2009 8:27:14 PM] jayamurugank says: we are doing practice together [8/29/2009 8:27:51 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: we will do practice together yes [8/29/2009 8:28:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: karte hai.n- yes milkar means together [8/29/2009 8:29:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mil is from milanaa which means to meet [8/29/2009 8:29:27 PM] jayamurugank says: kal milenge [8/29/2009 8:29:30 PM] jayamurugank says: phir milenge [8/29/2009 8:30:25 PM] jayamurugank says: what is the difference between mil and milkar? [8/29/2009 8:30:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes good- phir kab miloge? When will you meet again [8/29/2009 8:31:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: milkar is like khaakar, piikar, sokar- do you understand the verbs here joined with kar [8/29/2009 8:36:15 PM] jayamurugank says: no, I dont understand these words.. please explain [8/29/2009 8:40:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: khaa kar- after eating- aap khanaa khaa kar jana- you go after having the food. Now try other ones. kar stands for after (after the first action is done) [8/29/2009 8:48:35 PM] jayamurugank says: aap so kar jana = you go after sleep [8/29/2009 8:49:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap so kar jaanaa [8/29/2009 8:49:33 PM] jayamurugank says: yes [8/29/2009 8:50:05 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap chaai pii kar jaanaa [8/29/2009 8:50:12 PM] jayamurugank says: aap aa kar khaa = you come after eating [8/29/2009 8:51:44 PM] jayamurugank says: aap chaai pii kar jaanaa = you go after having tea [8/29/2009 8:52:07 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- you go after having tea [8/29/2009 8:53:47 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mai.n apnaa kaam khatm(smaapt) kar ke aauu.Ngaa [8/29/2009 8:55:37 PM] jayamurugank says: khatm(smaapt = ? [8/29/2009 8:56:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: after finishing your work [8/29/2009 8:57:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: khel khatm hone tak India ne chhe wicket par sau run banaaye thhe. [8/29/2009 8:59:15 PM] jayamurugank says: it is beyond my comprehension [8/29/2009 8:59:18 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/29/2009 9:00:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: India had made one hundred runs at the loss of six wickets when the game ended [8/29/2009 9:00:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: khel- game (play) [8/29/2009 9:03:41 PM] jayamurugank says: got it. [8/30/2009 5:09:58 PM] Sompong says: .