[8/24/2009 8:25:07 AM] Peter says: Namaste Navneet... I see that you mention "hain" and "ho" is the same sentence..... Is the "or" and english "or" or a hindi "or" ? (not aur) ... [8/24/2009 8:25:38 AM] Peter says: "aap log" means plural, as I understand... [8/24/2009 8:26:14 AM] Peter says: and it is still unclear to me which to use in this case, "hain" or "ho" [8/24/2009 8:28:21 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OR in English. What I wanted to say was you can either use hai.n or Ho but not "hai". Hai is used for singular with Main, Meri Tum, Tumhari but Aap is a third person pronoun and even when it is used as first person singular (respectful) it must be followed by hai.n and not hai. [8/24/2009 8:31:57 AM] Peter says: I am thinking there is a terminology difference here... (and this makes my head spin ;) ... [8/24/2009 8:32:50 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: what's that Peter [8/24/2009 8:33:48 AM] Peter says: I / we <-- 1st person (sing. / plur.) you / you <-- 2nd person (sing. / plur.) he,she,it / they <-- 3rd person (sing. / plur.) [8/24/2009 8:34:01 AM] Peter says: and, to me, aap is 2nd person [8/24/2009 8:37:13 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sorry, Peter aap is second person and I have made a mistake in my expression and if the meaning of what I wanted to say is understood, excuse me from labouring through my school level knowledge of forgotten grammar. In future, I will try to put some more effort while referring to some grammar but when you are there, do I need to worry about that [8/24/2009 8:37:36 AM] Peter says: I completely understand.... [8/24/2009 8:38:02 AM] Peter says: :) I just thought I'd mention it... [8/24/2009 8:38:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: you are welcome [8/24/2009 8:38:43 AM] Peter says: I am having to learn English grammar all over again... to know what all these terms mean... [8/24/2009 8:40:45 AM] Peter says: I actually spent an hour or so the other day with and English techer about English pronouns and English verb tenses..., (she runs a Skype learn English chat, and we chat occasionally) [8/24/2009 8:42:47 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Oh great, many times, I think, I should do that for improving my English too but time is a scarce commodity here. [8/24/2009 8:43:43 AM] Peter says: If only someone could bottle it and sell it; they'd make a fortune overnight. [8/24/2009 8:47:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari#Conjuncts,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...eration_scheme. On another site wordrefrenceforum some one suggested these pages too. Haven't had time to see those but will suggest to all on chat here to use one uniform transliteration code and see what all is discussed on the pages refrred above [8/24/2009 8:53:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari_transliteration [8/24/2009 8:53:48 AM] Peter says: Some of the Transliterations schemes on that page are for printers, and need special fonts. The simplest, and most practical one for use with a standard US keyboard is ITRANS. It is very intuitive, with only a few "unexpected" letters. [8/24/2009 8:54:29 AM] Peter says: ... and it is the "official" Indian government choice.. [8/24/2009 8:54:53 AM] Peter says: but official things are sometimes ignored :) [8/24/2009 8:55:34 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: So we can adopt that. what I mean to say is that for the benefit of all those in this chat group, let us use one uniform transliteration code and even, I will (try to) adhere to it. [8/24/2009 8:55:51 AM] Peter says: and you can get keyboard overlay programs which produce devanagari directly by typing in the ITRANS [8/24/2009 8:56:12 AM] Peter says: I think it is a great idea. [8/24/2009 8:56:33 AM] Peter says: It will be heaven... vs spelling guesswork.. [8/24/2009 8:57:02 AM] Peter says: for learners... not so important for native speakers [8/24/2009 8:57:53 AM] Peter says: ... like me, as a native English speaker, I can read almost anything, no matter how it is spelt. [8/24/2009 8:59:05 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am typing by selecting Hi option and at present take assistance of On-Screen Keyboard but don't bother much while writing transliteration and use what my little intelligence suggests will be close to it's Hindi spellings [8/24/2009 9:00:54 AM] Peter says: ... I think you are being overly modest about the "little" intelligence... you are doing a great job of it all... [8/24/2009 9:01:00 AM] Peter says: :) [8/24/2009 9:01:36 AM] Peter says: actually ITRANS is not greatly differnent from what you have been writing... [8/24/2009 9:02:12 AM] Peter says: The main thing will be the consistency.. a standard to refer too.. and it is a very well thought out standard. [8/24/2009 9:03:01 AM] Peter says: ITRANS is applicable to most Indian languages. It is phonetic in nature. [8/24/2009 9:03:20 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: But I have always thought, I could have done better in life if I had chosen languages as my career but I was a kid and my father though, I will do better as an Engineer and Engineers you know are very poor in languages. [8/24/2009 9:04:13 AM] Peter says: ah.. you have had a long term interest in language, it seems... [8/24/2009 9:04:24 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Can you give me the address of the page where from I can get ITRANS code and I will adhere to that [8/24/2009 9:04:39 AM] Peter says: easy... [8/24/2009 9:09:41 AM] Peter says: अ a आ aa इ i ई ii उ u ऊ uu ए e ऐ ai ओ o औ au अं a.n अः aH अँ a.N ऑ aa.c (is this a Hindi letter?) ऍ e.c (is this a Hindi letter?) ऋ R^i [8/24/2009 9:09:44 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter, to be modest. Writing comes naturally to me. I have so much written about. People have been pushing me to get my scraps of papers together and get them published. I have brought out three books so far of Hillarious Hindi poetry books ( two are novels in verse forms) because I thought people like to read humor but not knowing how to go about, I haven't made much headway. have had no time to pursue, publishers are commercially oriented and Hindi doesn't sell much in India. But will put all what I write or have written someday. That's one ambition that I have but have little drive. Going for luch- will be back in half an hour [8/24/2009 9:10:10 AM] Peter says: I can send them all in a word document ... Is this format suitable? [8/24/2009 9:10:52 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: *lunch [8/24/2009 9:11:30 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Please send them all in a word document- my e-mail id is bakshink@gmail.com [8/24/2009 9:11:38 AM] Peter says: Wow... That's great !! see you later [8/24/2009 9:12:08 AM] Peter says: ... email ok. [8/24/2009 12:15:48 PM] cwt0501 says: Namaste [8/24/2009 12:16:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste [8/24/2009 4:47:01 PM] Sompong says: Namaste Aap log kaise hain? [8/24/2009 4:48:07 PM] Sompong says: Who made Peter's head spin? [8/24/2009 4:49:24 PM] Sompong says: I made a mistake this sentence "Aap log kaise hai? [8/24/2009 4:50:48 PM] Sompong says: I have rebuilt that above. sorry.. :( [8/24/2009 4:53:02 PM] Sompong says: and again....Aap log kaise ho? [8/24/2009 5:26:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste sompong- aap aaj kaise ho [8/24/2009 5:29:43 PM] Sompong says: Haan, Main aaj achhe hoon. [8/24/2009 5:30:43 PM] Sompong says: Aap aaj kaise hain? [8/24/2009 5:31:27 PM] Sompong says: I have just finished my English reading in a class. [8/24/2009 5:34:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Main Thiik hoo.n- Peter sent me ITrans code and let us adhere to that for uniformity and for avoiding confusion, so I might be late in writing because old brain will take time to learn something new. Peter how do you write 'chandra bindu' in this code? [8/24/2009 5:35:40 PM] Sompong says: Oh..good! take your time. [8/24/2009 5:35:41 PM] Peter says: handa चन्द [8/24/2009 5:35:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- got it so I should have written Main thiik hoo.N OK  :) [8/24/2009 5:35:52 PM] Peter says: wrong [8/24/2009 5:36:27 PM] Sompong says: What is wrong? [8/24/2009 5:36:31 PM] Peter says: chandra = चन्द्र if that it the devnag you are looking for. [8/24/2009 5:36:43 PM] Peter says: my spelling was wrong. [8/24/2009 5:36:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: what is wrong here? For writing Hoo.N u got to use chandra-bindu and not the dot I mean the dot in a dish [8/24/2009 5:37:53 PM] Sompong says: You can use right click to revise it. [8/24/2009 5:38:00 PM] Peter says: hoo.N = हूँ [8/24/2009 5:38:28 PM] Peter says: not "H" H = ः [8/24/2009 5:38:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: why is called a chandra-bindu? Because bindu is a dot and chandra means moon. Below the dot is a nascent moon [8/24/2009 5:39:50 PM] Peter says: (by the way Navneet, I found the ITRANS progam... It displays a table while you adapt... [8/24/2009 5:40:02 PM] Peter says: get it here: ... an Indian Government site: Technology Development for Indian Languages http://tdil.mit.gov.in/download/hwiter.htm [8/24/2009 5:40:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok hoo.N- Kya ab mai.n thiik hoo.N? [8/24/2009 5:41:07 PM] Peter says: हूँ- ख़्य अब मैं थीक हूँ? [8/24/2009 5:42:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK will check, I am doing fine by scrolling the word file too side by side only I am a bit slow but like u said mostly what I was writing earlier was almost correct but now I think there won't be any confusion- except for the grammar  :) [8/24/2009 5:42:25 PM] Sompong says: Now I am busy to your websites posted. [8/24/2009 5:42:52 PM] Peter says: Kya = क़्य kya = क्य [8/24/2009 5:43:13 PM] Peter says: :) [8/24/2009 5:43:47 PM] Peter says: ( capitils make a difference ) [8/24/2009 5:44:32 PM] Sompong says: capitals? [8/24/2009 5:44:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: how to write half consonants? [8/24/2009 5:45:08 PM] Peter says: just don't write the vowel [8/24/2009 5:45:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so kyaa is it OK? [8/24/2009 5:45:43 PM] Peter says: kyaa = क्या [8/24/2009 5:45:44 PM] Sompong says: I can not see a bit slightly different. [8/24/2009 5:46:03 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/24/2009 5:46:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I think sompong is getting confused now [8/24/2009 5:46:37 PM] Peter says: I'll just mirror what you write (for a while) , and show the devnagari [8/24/2009 5:46:41 PM] Sompong says: take go ahead I will follow.. [8/24/2009 5:47:33 PM] Peter says: Sompong . "Capital" means CAPITAL letters... also called Upper-Case letters [8/24/2009 5:47:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: It's the mother's dilemma Peter, when she tries to please one the other one gets upset [8/24/2009 5:47:57 PM] Peter says: :) ... [8/24/2009 5:48:37 PM] Sompong says: I understood but scroll back before my sentence. [8/24/2009 5:48:45 PM] Peter says: ok.. [8/24/2009 5:48:49 PM] Sompong says: and look at your sentence [8/24/2009 5:49:01 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/24/2009 5:49:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so I will keep checking ITRANS by and by and we can continue, with my own original style till we all start seeing the same code [8/24/2009 5:50:13 PM] Peter says: yes... a good idea .. a transition period... [8/24/2009 5:50:16 PM] Sompong says: I am happy to correct a native English speaker. [8/24/2009 5:50:46 PM] Peter says: Yes, it is a good sign to be able to do that :) [8/24/2009 5:50:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Now what she has corrected u for? [8/24/2009 5:51:20 PM] Peter says: I mis-spelt capitals .. I wrote capitils... [8/24/2009 5:51:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Oh- I see, this way, we might end up learning english [8/24/2009 5:53:09 PM] Sompong says: Oh..no...just Peter's hand was shaking with wine. [8/24/2009 5:53:49 PM] Peter says: (an apple, actually ... [8/24/2009 5:53:59 PM] Peter says: :) [8/24/2009 5:54:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Peter's hand now gets steadied with wine- I mean he has withdrawl symptoms if he doesn't drink [8/24/2009 5:54:55 PM] Peter says: I don't drink... full-stop... [8/24/2009 5:55:05 PM] Sompong says: (clap) [8/24/2009 5:55:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But fool stop can't be drunk it can only be nibbled [8/24/2009 5:56:31 PM] Sompong says: Could you memorize full-stop word in Hindi? [8/24/2009 6:01:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sompong tho.Da pa.Da lo? Is it ok Peter? [8/24/2009 6:02:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Actually it should tho.Da pa.Dha lo [8/24/2009 6:03:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: When you write lo- shud u write lao? Peter [8/24/2009 6:04:17 PM] Peter says: tho.Da pa.Da = थोड़ पड़ [8/24/2009 6:05:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tho.Daa pa.Dha lao? [8/24/2009 6:05:04 PM] Peter says: I don't know the correct Hindi, I can only mirror the ITRANS as it converts to Hindi... [8/24/2009 6:05:31 PM] Peter says: tho.Daa pa.Dha lao = थोड़ा पढ़ [8/24/2009 6:05:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: That's why I am trying to correct to get the hang of it [8/24/2009 6:06:08 PM] Peter says: you will find that the program I mentioned above will be very useful for this. [8/24/2009 6:06:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Yes that's correct and for lo should we write lao because la is full [8/24/2009 6:07:30 PM] Peter says: lo = लो lao = लओ [8/24/2009 6:07:58 PM] Peter says: la = ल [8/24/2009 6:08:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so it should be lo [8/24/2009 6:08:15 PM] Peter says: laa = ला [8/24/2009 6:08:35 PM] Peter says: lo = लो [8/24/2009 6:11:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: o by itself is ओ and also is 'matra' for ओ I mean unicode 0913 and 094B are same [8/24/2009 6:12:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Anyway I will go through it and memorize but it will take me a day or two to get the hang of it. Bear with me until then [8/24/2009 6:14:04 PM] Peter says: I had to reboot [8/24/2009 6:16:53 PM] Peter says: one is the matra ो and the other is the full character ओ l + o = l + matra [8/24/2009 6:18:40 PM] Peter says: I'm not sure where the full ओ is used, but keep in mind that the devnagari character set is used by other languages and some of the ones in the unicode set are not used in Hindi... [8/24/2009 6:18:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: but for writing lo la is full too and you said for writing half letters we writing without a vowel. though for me it's commonsense because matra can never be put on a half letter but what about a new learner [8/24/2009 6:19:10 PM] Peter says: lo la ... लो ल [8/24/2009 6:19:59 PM] Peter says: is a matra any of the vowel sounds? [8/24/2009 6:20:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes matra is the vowel sound [8/24/2009 6:21:16 PM] Peter says: As I understand it. all hindi consonants inclued the "a" even though it is not shown. [8/24/2009 6:21:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: matra otherwise means quantity [8/24/2009 6:21:37 PM] Peter says: ahhh.. ok it makes sense.. the "quality" of the consonant [8/24/2009 6:22:33 PM] Peter says: but in ITRANS the "a" consonant is shown, because without it, the consonant is a half-consonant [8/24/2009 6:22:51 PM] Peter says: oops.. quantity [8/24/2009 6:23:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: No it means quantity of vowel sound- deergh means large and laghu means small. So they are also called chhoti matra and ba.Dii matra. Meaning small sound quantity or large sound qunatity of the vowel attached [8/24/2009 6:24:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chhoTii [8/24/2009 6:25:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I have understood, but I said what about the new learners [8/24/2009 6:25:48 PM] Peter says: is la ल using the chhoTii छोटी matra [8/24/2009 6:26:09 PM] Peter says: well, it really isn't much different... [8/24/2009 6:26:45 PM] Peter says: the spelling is the spelling.. and ITRANS is a way to show the correct spelling.. [8/24/2009 6:27:12 PM] Peter says: t = त T = ट [8/24/2009 6:27:38 PM] Peter says: ch=च chh=छ [8/24/2009 6:28:28 PM] Peter says: so, if the correct spelling requires छ , then chh is the equivalent. (identical..not just close) [8/24/2009 6:28:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes Peter I got it [8/24/2009 6:29:21 PM] Peter says: I was writing that a bit for general viewing too.... [8/24/2009 6:29:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: just give me sometime will make some preparations for dinner brb [8/24/2009 6:56:38 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste everyone! (bow) [8/24/2009 6:57:16 PM] jayamurugank says: Read your correction..Navneet g ...Dhanyawad [8/24/2009 7:19:34 PM] jayamurugank says: Aap aaj Kaise ho? [8/24/2009 7:23:28 PM] jayamurugank says: [5:40:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok hoo.N- Kya ab mai.n thiik hoo.N? what is the meaing of ab here? [8/24/2009 7:31:21 PM] jayamurugank says: brb [8/24/2009 7:38:28 PM] Peter says: I think I finally understood what you meant about the matra... [8/24/2009 7:38:42 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji [8/24/2009 7:38:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ab means now- it was an answer to Peter's correction- because we have started using the ITRANS code for writing transliteration [8/24/2009 7:38:53 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: what Matra [8/24/2009 7:39:02 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar Bakshi ji [8/24/2009 7:39:09 PM] Peter says: to write ल you need to include the "a" la [8/24/2009 7:39:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namakar Peter ji [8/24/2009 7:39:24 PM] Peter says: l = the half-consonant.. [8/24/2009 7:39:34 PM] Peter says: namaskar martin. [8/24/2009 7:40:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Namaskar mitro [8/24/2009 7:42:30 PM] Peter says: l = ल् [8/24/2009 7:42:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mitro means friends, mitra- how will u read these two words Peter [8/24/2009 7:43:18 PM] Peter says: Do you mean in ITRANS ? [8/24/2009 7:44:51 PM] Peter says: mitra ... मित्र [8/24/2009 7:45:22 PM] Peter says: mitro ... मित्रो [8/24/2009 7:45:31 PM] Peter says: but does it need the o.n [8/24/2009 7:46:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: No it will be mai.ne mitro.n ko khane pe bulaya thha. because mitra is singular and plural too. [8/24/2009 7:47:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: this noun is going to be complcated for all of you. Let me give the examples but today, I may stick to my previous transliteration [8/24/2009 7:48:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mera mitra- My friend mere mitra- can be singular or plural depending on context. [8/24/2009 7:50:24 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere mittra ghar aaye thhe- It can mean one respected friend and also more than one friends. so to avoid ambiguity you can say. mere do mitra or whatever number or mere bahut se mitra ghar aaye thhe.- Clear [8/24/2009 7:51:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But maine mitra say kaha- I said to my friend And... Maine mitro.n se kaha- I said to the friends (plural) [8/24/2009 7:51:42 PM] Peter says: bahut se .. many of them ? [8/24/2009 7:51:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes bahut means many, much [8/24/2009 7:52:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut kaam karna hai- Have to do a lot of work [8/24/2009 7:52:33 PM] Peter says: ... Navneet, approximately what percentage of nouns are the same singular, and plural? [8/24/2009 7:54:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: bahut zyada- too much- bahut garmi hai- it's very hot. bahut zyada garmi hai- it's very very hot- wrong though because bahut and zyada are both adjectives ( are they peter, just check). [8/24/2009 7:54:54 PM] Peter says: I'm still brushing up on adverbs and adjectives.. [8/24/2009 7:55:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: both of those mean the same and thus cannot be used together but we in India at least use" much more than this" [8/24/2009 7:55:33 PM] Peter says: bahut... adj. s.m. & adv. much, most, many; in a great degree; abundant [8/24/2009 7:55:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: 20% [8/24/2009 7:55:47 PM] Peter says: ok. 20% thanks [8/24/2009 7:56:08 PM] Peter says: bahut can be used as a adj..adv. and noun it seems.. [8/24/2009 7:57:11 PM] Sompong says: bahut= very? [8/24/2009 7:57:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so those verbs also follow similar patterns. there are no unique cases. at least as long as we don't come across them. The thing is that ur teacher is not a teacher but just has become one. [8/24/2009 7:58:21 PM] Peter says: ( dictionary) bahut .... much; many; abundant; good deal, lots of, plentiful; too; very, very much; [8/24/2009 7:58:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: But one assurance, what I teach you, no book will be able to prove it wrong, because wrong or right book-wise that's how it is used. [8/24/2009 7:58:45 PM] Peter says: absolutely! [8/24/2009 7:58:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and zyada also means same [8/24/2009 7:58:59 PM] Sompong says: thanks...Peter..I didn't see "very". [8/24/2009 7:59:09 PM] Sompong says: just be curious. [8/24/2009 7:59:28 PM] Peter says: The dictionary is only an approximate description of a single word.. It does not show how it is used. [8/24/2009 7:59:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: zyada is not a hindi word. Hindi word is Adhik [8/24/2009 8:00:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: You can never learn the nuiances of the language from the dictionaries [8/24/2009 8:01:21 PM] Peter says: nuance :) [8/24/2009 8:01:58 PM] Peter says: I saw that the other day and it looks too close to nuisance... [8/24/2009 8:02:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: sorry peter- call it typographical error because my English is reasonably Ok [8/24/2009 8:02:10 PM] Peter says: its fine.... [8/24/2009 8:02:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: One of the books that I am writing is in English [8/24/2009 8:02:32 PM] Peter says: Your english is excellent plus, or minus one percent. [8/24/2009 8:02:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Capitil is Ok [8/24/2009 8:02:54 PM] Sompong says: Who is the nuiance? [8/24/2009 8:03:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and I will make sure that ur Hindi becomes as good, if not better. Arjun was a better marksman than dhronacharya [8/24/2009 8:04:15 PM] Peter says: yes,,,,true... [8/24/2009 8:04:53 PM] Peter says: Sompong, a nuance is a very minor, but sometimes important, difference in the meaning of a word or phrase. It is pronounced in a French-like way... [8/24/2009 8:05:59 PM] Sompong says: I am learning all from you both. [8/24/2009 8:06:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sompong you don't need to bother about nuance now. let us continue with the word mitra [8/24/2009 8:07:01 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/24/2009 8:07:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: urdu word for friend is dost and this too is a singular and a plural. So just make the sentences like I made them above [8/24/2009 8:08:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: *those [8/24/2009 8:08:55 PM] Sompong says: dost is musculine, isn't it? [8/24/2009 8:08:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tumhara dost aaya thha- ur friend had come [8/24/2009 8:09:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- dost is masculine as is mitra [8/24/2009 8:09:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: the feminine equivalent is saheli or sakhi [8/24/2009 8:10:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: meri saheli, meri sakhiyaa.n [8/24/2009 8:10:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mera dost, mere dost [8/24/2009 8:10:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maine dosto.n ko ghar bulaaya hua thha [8/24/2009 8:11:01 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Dosto mere saath chalo [8/24/2009 8:11:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: chal mere dost mere saath chal [8/24/2009 8:11:36 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere dost ne mera saath diya [8/24/2009 8:11:52 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mere dosto.n ne mera saath nahi.n diya [8/24/2009 8:13:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: the antonym of dost is dushman and that of mitra is shatru [8/24/2009 8:14:36 PM] Peter says: dushman .. enemy... (in many hindi movies.... [8/24/2009 8:15:25 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes dushman is enemy and so is shatru [8/24/2009 8:16:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so shatru is again singular and a plural too [8/24/2009 8:16:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mera shatru, mere shatru [8/24/2009 8:17:13 PM] Peter says: Who was shatrugan ? That name rings a bell.. (spellling) [8/24/2009 8:17:24 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mujhe apne shatruo.n se khatra hai- I am in danger of my enemies [8/24/2009 8:18:22 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: khatra- danger is so commonly used that I am thinking of a pure hindi word [8/24/2009 8:21:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I have seen the synoyms but none exactly seems to express what khatra does. the closest I found is Aapati [8/24/2009 8:21:48 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: excuse me for some time, I will have my dinner- 1/2 an hour, say [8/24/2009 8:22:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shatrughan is the slayer of the enemy [8/24/2009 8:22:49 PM] Peter says: ahhhh [8/24/2009 8:22:57 PM] Peter says: Ram, Lakshman, Bharat and Shatrugan [8/24/2009 8:23:03 PM] Peter says: yes, it makes sense [8/24/2009 8:23:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shatrughan was the youngest brother of Lord Rama [8/24/2009 8:24:04 PM] Peter says: I remember him now... (Wikipedia has a good memory.... enjoy your meal... [8/24/2009 8:25:12 PM] Sompong says: Enjoy your dinner [8/24/2009 8:25:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Computer has made us the slaves [8/24/2009 8:26:02 PM] Sompong says: I am thinking those names to Thai Ramayan. [8/24/2009 8:26:26 PM] Peter says: :) [8/24/2009 8:26:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Is Thai Ramayan different Sompong? [8/24/2009 8:27:22 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Naveent g, Peter g, Sompong g [8/24/2009 8:27:30 PM] Sompong says: Names are a bit different. [8/24/2009 8:28:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Jayakumar kidhar rahte ho tum? Ab tum oopar jo discuss hua hai use pa.Dho. mai.n khana khane ja raha hoo.N [8/24/2009 8:32:40 PM] Sompong says: Namaste Jayan! [8/24/2009 8:37:15 PM] jayamurugank says: I went for sopping and I came back now .mein oopar discussion PaRR raha tha. Bon Appetit [8/24/2009 9:39:21 PM] jayamurugank says: Both dost and mitra mean the same. [8/24/2009 9:42:41 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [8/24/2009 9:42:43 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: right [8/24/2009 9:43:06 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Martin mere dost hain or Martin mere Mitra hain . same [8/24/2009 9:43:56 PM] jayamurugank says: now I read the explanation... [8/24/2009 9:45:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ok [8/24/2009 9:49:28 PM] jayamurugank says: Dosto mere saath chalo.....means? [8/24/2009 9:50:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: freind let go with me [8/24/2009 9:50:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: come with me [8/24/2009 9:50:43 PM] Peter says: or friends ? [8/24/2009 9:50:47 PM] Sompong says: Kal milenge [8/24/2009 9:50:53 PM] Sompong says: (wave) [8/24/2009 9:51:02 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: thek hai Kal milenge [8/24/2009 9:51:05 PM] jayamurugank says: shubh rath sompong... [8/24/2009 9:51:09 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: namaste sompong [8/24/2009 9:51:24 PM] jayamurugank says: Kal Milenge (wave) [8/25/2009 7:29:03 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: One correction here now using ITRANS spellings. dost. dosto is plural- dosto mere saath chalo and dost mere saath chal. But mai.ne dosto.n ko khane pe bulaya (plural-friends). I called the friends for dinner/lunch. maine dost ko khane par bulaya- singular (one friend). [8/25/2009 7:30:50 AM] Peter says: namaste navneet.. [8/25/2009 7:31:00 AM] Peter says: How is it panning out? [8/25/2009 7:33:23 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste peter- Thiik hai, chalta hai sab jab khud bana ke khud hi khana ho to sab Thiik hi lagta hai. [8/25/2009 7:34:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: chalta hai, literally means it moves/works- so it works [8/25/2009 7:35:11 AM] Peter says: chalta hai ( it is going ? ) [8/25/2009 7:35:45 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: chalta hai- it's ok, it works, it's acceptable [8/25/2009 7:36:04 AM] Peter says: yes, just as a reference phrase... [8/25/2009 7:37:14 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: All works fine, or All (that you make_ is fine when u have to make it urself and eat all by yourself [8/25/2009 7:38:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Sab chalta hai- a phrase Like rajniiti mein sab chalta hai. Everything is OK in politics that means all is fair [8/25/2009 7:39:20 AM] Peter says: sab chalta hai सब चल्त है [8/25/2009 7:39:41 AM] Peter says: chalata चलत (for typing, at least) [8/25/2009 7:40:31 AM] Peter says: chalta in ITRANS = the half l Should it be a half or full l ? [8/25/2009 7:40:36 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: sab chaltaa hai from chalnaa- move, walk, work- still not thorough with itrans [8/25/2009 7:41:10 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: chalataa [8/25/2009 7:41:14 AM] Peter says: Have you installed HindiWriter .. it makes things very clear [8/25/2009 7:41:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: no yesterday night i cudn't let me try now [8/25/2009 7:42:48 AM] Peter says: it shows tables, and what you are typing in both Roman script (because this in not English, it is just a script in this situation)...., as you type the Devanagari [8/25/2009 7:44:36 AM] Peter says: I have switched across to using it... I like the other one I have been using, but I'd better go fully ITRANS [8/25/2009 7:46:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I don't know when I click on the download button nothing happens. yesterday when i tried from home, it wasn't working now from here too it isn't. firstly it's indian government's site and i am accessing it from china, I am skeptical all the more [8/25/2009 7:46:50 AM] Peter says: ahhh.. [8/25/2009 7:47:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: but I will get around using it by and by. Once I get the hang of it, it's not difficult. [8/25/2009 7:48:04 AM] Peter sent file "HindiWriter (ITRANS Input Method Editor) 1.4b.exe" [8/25/2009 7:48:30 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok let me check [8/25/2009 7:49:03 AM] Peter says: It is very straight forward.. (once you have Indic scripts installed, and you already have that.) [8/25/2009 7:49:41 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I will and it will be useful to, ur file hasn't coem yet [8/25/2009 7:49:46 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: come [8/25/2009 7:49:54 AM] Peter says: I'll send it to you directly (private chat window) [8/25/2009 7:50:10 AM] Peter says: or do you prefer email ? [8/25/2009 7:50:31 AM] Peter says: email may be more reliable... [8/25/2009 7:52:01 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: how do u access? I can see in the box Peter sent file etc. but checked on gmail it's not there and here on skype if it comes where will it be? [8/25/2009 7:52:25 AM] Peter says: I am sending it now.. [8/25/2009 7:52:35 AM] Peter says: to your gmail account [8/25/2009 7:55:28 AM] Peter says: It is 50% uploaded to gmail.. so, a couple of minutes more (It is only 1.1MB) [8/25/2009 7:55:38 AM] Peter says: 90% [8/25/2009 7:56:32 AM] Peter says: I got a gmail error... [8/25/2009 7:57:25 AM] Peter says: I am sending it via Thunderbird; I'll use the gmail web interface this time [8/25/2009 7:57:43 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: no problem take ur time or use some free large file sending package- like YouSendit. I have seen often gmail doesn't work [8/25/2009 7:58:42 AM] Peter says: YouSenit... (I hadn't heard of that one... good to know about it) [8/25/2009 7:59:31 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Try it it was working fine for me. haven't tried it since sometime [8/25/2009 8:02:41 AM] Peter says: It failed again, but this time the error message made sense: HindiWriter (ITRANS Input Method Editor) 1.4b.exe is an executable file. For security reasons, Gmail does not allow you to send this type of file. [8/25/2009 8:03:27 AM] Peter says: ... That's a bit limiting... but it is a free service.. [8/25/2009 8:03:33 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: so there is no way except downloading is it? [8/25/2009 8:04:32 AM] Peter says: I am uploading it to RapidShare... [8/25/2009 8:04:58 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: here in china access to many sites gets interrupted. Youtube is not coming since last three months- curbing anti-tibet sentiment [8/25/2009 8:05:02 AM] Peter says: YouSendIt required me to sign-up. [8/25/2009 8:05:16 AM] Peter says: ah... I see [8/25/2009 8:05:29 AM] Peter says: The great firewall of China... [8/25/2009 8:06:01 AM] Peter says: http://rapidshare.com/files/271132256/HindiWriter__ITRANS_Input_Method_Editor__1.4b.exe.html [8/25/2009 8:06:02 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: ya and then some msg once a week or so asking you to buy but that u can firewall [8/25/2009 8:06:15 AM] Peter says: Try the above link... [8/25/2009 8:18:05 AM] Peter says: Navneet, you will receive an email ... I removed the ".zip" ending from the filename and it went through ok. Just add the .zip again. [8/25/2009 8:20:13 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok- I was just going to ask u what extension to add- meanwhile rapidshare to got downloaded but where don't know, I am seraching for it still. Let me try the gmail one by adding zip ext. [8/25/2009 8:22:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: that zip thing worked i unrar ed- it is installed, let me check one pdf page has opened [8/25/2009 8:23:19 AM] Peter says: It's good to hear it finally got there... [8/25/2009 8:24:16 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: the shortcut symbol is there on desktop and one is in the tray also but nothing is opening on clicking at either [8/25/2009 8:25:49 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: the keyboard map has opened, what next- should i open word page first? [8/25/2009 8:26:20 AM] Peter says: Can you see the RED icon in your sytem tray? [8/25/2009 8:26:58 AM] Peter says: with अ on it [8/25/2009 8:27:01 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes when i clicked on it keyboard map has opened on the desktop [8/25/2009 8:27:18 AM] Peter says: Red means it is inactive [8/25/2009 8:27:44 AM] Peter says: That means you are running your keyboard as a standard US keyboard ... [8/25/2009 8:28:35 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: don't know that- it's an Asus laptop [8/25/2009 8:28:48 AM] Peter says: same thing... [8/25/2009 8:29:16 AM] Peter says: you are running a standard US keyboard means the behaviour of the keys is that of a standard US keyboard. [8/25/2009 8:29:54 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: but I can change option from EN to HI in the system tray [8/25/2009 8:29:54 AM] Peter says: The key "mapping" produces A when you press A .. etc [8/25/2009 8:30:03 AM] Peter says: don't [8/25/2009 8:30:30 AM] Peter says: You should probably uninstall you HI keyboard.... [8/25/2009 8:30:48 AM] Peter says: but don't do that just yet... [8/25/2009 8:31:48 AM] Peter says: make sure it is in EN mode [8/25/2009 8:32:06 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK it is [8/25/2009 8:32:35 AM] Peter says: I was finding that my HI (special HI) keyboard overlay was clashing with this ITRANS overlay.. [8/25/2009 8:32:59 AM] Peter says: your standard HI keyboard overlay (virtual overlay) may be fine.. [8/25/2009 8:33:17 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: If I uninstall will I have problem of writing in word document? [8/25/2009 8:33:49 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: because I am putting effort to learn IME keys [8/25/2009 8:35:09 AM] Peter says: none.. It will be simply a matter of using ITRANS to produce the Devanagari.. but if you prefer the standard HI keyboard, which you are obviously familiar with... just close HindiWiriter (not uninstall it; just close it so that there is no icon in the system tray... [8/25/2009 8:35:32 AM] Peter says: none = no problems [8/25/2009 8:36:47 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: it's ok for me to use Itrans infact i am in a transition phase from a cumbersome Krishna TTF font I have been using thus far. So anything easier will do [8/25/2009 8:36:52 AM] Peter says: but, don't try to go into Devanagari mode in HI and HindiWriter at the same time... [8/25/2009 8:37:14 AM] Peter says: oh... I see.. [8/25/2009 8:37:47 AM] Peter says: HindiWriter does all the switching to HI internally... [8/25/2009 8:38:14 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I think Itrans will be better bcoz ppl except this transliteration too, it will be easier for ppl on this chat group at the same time [8/25/2009 8:38:16 AM] Peter says: The RED/GREEN icon is your new EN/HI icon.... [8/25/2009 8:39:23 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- but Itrans code I will need to memorize or get this keyboard pop-up by the side for reference [8/25/2009 8:39:28 AM] Peter says: absolutely... it will look a bit strange at first because of the fact that people have been trying to write Hindi like English... (sorry, folks... Hindi is not English.... [8/25/2009 8:39:47 AM] Peter says: It needs it own alphabet... [8/25/2009 8:40:05 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I get ur point [8/25/2009 8:40:08 AM] Peter says: and the English alphabet simply does not have enough letters... for hindi [8/25/2009 8:40:20 AM] Peter says: ok The RED icon [8/25/2009 8:40:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes- now how i make it green [8/25/2009 8:41:15 AM] Peter says: and that is all you need to do ..... Press Shift+Pause.... [8/25/2009 8:41:37 AM] Peter says: you will probably have a Pause key... [8/25/2009 8:41:39 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: should I do it now? [8/25/2009 8:42:03 AM] Peter says: sure.. then when you type.. you will be typing Devanagari [8/25/2009 8:42:23 AM] Peter says: Shift+Pause toggles between the two modes. [8/25/2009 8:42:27 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Wow it works- now should i open a word document and try to write? [8/25/2009 8:42:42 AM] Peter says: go for it ! [8/25/2009 8:43:28 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: so if it's green, i can write Itrans and if I choose, HI and keep it red, I can write IME code is it? [8/25/2009 8:44:10 AM] Peter says: not quite [8/25/2009 8:44:12 AM] Peter says: IME ??? [8/25/2009 8:44:23 AM] Peter says: GReen = IME [8/25/2009 8:45:41 AM] Peter says: when you switch from RED to GREEN ... the EN will automatically follow, and switch to HI [8/25/2009 8:46:54 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok when green any key I press it writes ?? mostly and there is a blue bar at the corner above system tray and keyboard pad pops up [8/25/2009 8:47:47 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK it does [8/25/2009 8:47:48 AM] Peter says: When it is green, it will always type Devanagari script [8/25/2009 8:48:14 AM] Peter says: When it is red it will always type Roman script [8/25/2009 8:48:42 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: but why when it is green I press 'a' or 'n' it writes ?? [8/25/2009 8:49:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: let me try [8/25/2009 8:49:48 AM] Peter says: If it is doing something different, it may be because you switched EN/HI... This is overriding the control that HindiWriter expects... in future .. don't swith via EN/HI use Shift+Pause.. only. [8/25/2009 8:49:58 AM] Peter says: It may need a reboot to clear it..... [8/25/2009 8:50:11 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ???????? thiis is what it is writing [8/25/2009 8:50:26 AM] Peter says: close HindiWriter... [8/25/2009 8:50:38 AM] Peter says: right-click on the sys-tray icon [8/25/2009 8:51:03 AM] Peter says: and exit it. (and look at the options while you are there ;) [8/25/2009 8:51:04 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: In any case Firefox to has stopped working at the back- I think, I will need a reboot- so let me reboot [8/25/2009 8:51:39 AM] Peter says: I had the same problem yesterday.. but it is stable now, as long as I don't use my EN/HI switch.. [8/25/2009 8:52:12 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: exited the icon- let me try to reebot will be back [8/25/2009 8:52:18 AM] Peter says: sure... [8/25/2009 8:59:38 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: I am back. There is hindi 'a' shortcut icon on the desktop but none in the system tray except EN [8/25/2009 9:00:12 AM] Peter says: That is to be expected [8/25/2009 9:00:30 AM] Peter says: It is because HindiWriter is not running. [8/25/2009 9:01:01 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: so what do i do [8/25/2009 9:01:04 AM] Peter says: For now, you need to manually start it... then the red icon will appear in the sys-tray [8/25/2009 9:01:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: everytime? [8/25/2009 9:02:11 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: ok it has come [8/25/2009 9:02:14 AM] Peter says: no, not every time.. [8/25/2009 9:02:34 AM] Peter says: You can set it to auto start.... but don't do that just yet.. [8/25/2009 9:02:40 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: should i try writing hindi here now? [8/25/2009 9:02:48 AM] Peter says: sure.... [8/25/2009 9:02:52 AM] Peter says: :) [8/25/2009 9:03:06 AM] Peter says: and then toggle and type the same in Roman. [8/25/2009 9:04:51 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? I toggled and typed and I got same question marks. [8/25/2009 9:05:08 AM] Peter says: mhh.. try it in Word... [8/25/2009 9:05:16 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: wait [8/25/2009 9:07:11 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: No same question marks and dictionary and keyboard pad popping up and closing with each key [8/25/2009 9:08:15 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: It's lunch time at Shipyard- so I will go and have it and we can continue later or some other time [8/25/2009 9:08:36 AM] Peter says: I wonder if it is similar to my situation.. I have un-installed my previous Devnag keyboard (virtual keyboard) [8/25/2009 9:08:44 AM] Peter says: ok... bye... [8/25/2009 9:09:05 AM] Peter says: whenever it suits you... [8/25/2009 9:09:38 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: how do u uninstall , i have none installed here. except for installing that Indic IME or whaever they say [8/25/2009 9:10:14 AM] Peter says: you go and eat... we can continue later .. a break is good... [8/25/2009 9:10:35 AM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- Bye  :) [8/25/2009 9:10:41 AM] Peter says: :) [8/25/2009 5:26:38 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste (bow) [8/25/2009 5:32:50 PM] jayamurugank says: I have time lags with this page. [8/25/2009 5:33:01 PM] jayamurugank says: My message is not being delivered [8/25/2009 5:48:10 PM] Sompong says: . [8/25/2009 5:48:53 PM] jayamurugank says: yes..Now I can see the room. [8/25/2009 5:49:28 PM] 1nicechat says: namaste Jaya -g [8/25/2009 5:50:58 PM] Sompong says: Namaste [8/25/2009 5:51:17 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Sompong g, zana g [8/25/2009 5:52:20 PM] Sompong says: Aap log kaise hain? [8/25/2009 5:54:38 PM] 1nicechat says: mein achhi hoon , shurkiya, aap ? [8/25/2009 5:55:18 PM] Sompong says: Mein achhi hoon. [8/25/2009 5:55:38 PM] jayamurugank says: mein bhi accha hoon. shukriya [8/25/2009 6:01:00 PM] jayamurugank says: we need to practise... some basics again and again [8/25/2009 6:06:50 PM] jayamurugank says: main ja raha hoon = I am going Aap ja rahe hu = you are going [8/25/2009 6:09:51 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: where are you going........ Jayam [8/25/2009 6:09:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ? [8/25/2009 6:10:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aap Kaha ja rahe hoon?? [8/25/2009 6:11:22 PM] jayamurugank says: not going anywhere... just practising what I have learnt.... because...I confuse always with ...rahi, raha, rahe. hoon, hu...so today I want to pracise some sentences to clear my doubts. [8/25/2009 6:12:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: oh [8/25/2009 6:12:29 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: raha= present tense..... [8/25/2009 6:12:47 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: rahe =contin.. tensne [8/25/2009 6:12:48 PM] jayamurugank says: yes...that one I understand..... [8/25/2009 6:12:53 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hoon = future [8/25/2009 6:13:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: oh [8/25/2009 6:13:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hoon. ?? [8/25/2009 6:13:21 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: wait [8/25/2009 6:13:30 PM] jayamurugank says: hoon is used with main [8/25/2009 6:13:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Main acchaa hoon. right [8/25/2009 6:14:17 PM] jayamurugank says: main ja raha hoon = I am going Aap ja raha hu = you are going [8/25/2009 6:14:29 PM] jayamurugank says: hu is uese with Aap [8/25/2009 6:14:56 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I am confused now. so let wait for the expert (Bakshi ji) [8/25/2009 6:15:19 PM] jayamurugank says: Navnee g already explaind this.... [8/25/2009 6:15:22 PM] Sompong says: Aap kahan ja rahe hain?....Martin ...Am I right? [8/25/2009 6:16:06 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes that right [8/25/2009 6:16:16 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aap kahan ja rahe hain. [8/25/2009 6:16:33 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: means Martin where are you going ? [8/25/2009 6:16:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Sompong ji [8/25/2009 6:17:09 PM] Sompong says: Namaste...Martin [8/25/2009 6:17:50 PM] Sompong says: go ahead with Jayan [8/25/2009 6:18:15 PM] Sompong says: I have to leave 10 minutes. [8/25/2009 6:18:25 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ok [8/25/2009 6:18:38 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: I am always with Jayam sir [8/25/2009 6:19:16 PM] jayamurugank says: dont call me sir.. Martin. [8/25/2009 6:19:19 PM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [8/25/2009 6:19:21 PM] jayamurugank says: lol [8/25/2009 6:19:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Its ok for me . no problem brother [8/25/2009 6:20:04 PM] jayamurugank says: (y) [8/25/2009 6:20:20 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: respect should come from the heart not from the words..... (handshake) [8/25/2009 6:20:32 PM] jayamurugank says: yes..... true [8/25/2009 6:20:38 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/25/2009 6:34:42 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/10/2009 8:25:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: with "you" use Ho, and with He it's Hai- Wo jata hai, Tum jate ho- I wrote somewhere above [8/25/2009 6:35:28 PM] jayamurugank says: woh school raha hai = he is going to school [8/25/2009 6:35:42 PM] jayamurugank says: woh school rahi hai = she is going to school [8/25/2009 6:35:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ]:) [8/25/2009 6:36:08 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/25/2009 6:36:23 PM] jayamurugank says: with Ve...what should we use? [8/25/2009 6:36:32 PM] jayamurugank says: Is Ve means they? [8/25/2009 6:36:35 PM] jayamurugank says: correct? [8/25/2009 6:36:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: correct [8/25/2009 6:43:59 PM] jayamurugank says: again... I am going to school = mein shool ja raha hoon you are going to school = Aap school ja raha hu He is going to school = Woh school ja raha hai she is going to school = Woh school ja rahi hai They are going to school = Ve school ja raha hain [8/25/2009 6:47:17 PM] Sompong says: Ravivaar=Sunday Somavaar=Monday Mangalavaar=Tuesday Bhudhavaar=Wednesday Guruvaar=Thursday Shukravaar=Friday Shanivaar=Saturday [8/25/2009 6:48:15 PM] jayamurugank says: for sunday..we can say... Ravivaar or Ithvaar [8/25/2009 6:48:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ravivaar ko holiday hoti hain [8/25/2009 6:49:11 PM] Sompong says: Aap school ja rahe ho? [8/25/2009 6:49:35 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Haan mein school jata hoon. [8/25/2009 6:50:33 PM] Sompong says: I am thinking Jay's the last sentence [8/25/2009 6:51:51 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/10/2009 8:27:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: for plural it's nasal "hai.n" and Wo becomes Ve [8/10/2009 8:27:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ve school ja rahe hain [8/10/2009 8:28:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Wo school ja raha hai [8/10/2009 8:28:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: for Ve raha will become rahe [8/10/2009 8:29:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hum ja rahe hain, Wo ja raha hai, Main ja raha hoon, Main ja rahi hoon, Tum ja rahe ho, Tum ja rahi ho, Ve ja rahe hain [8/25/2009 6:51:53 PM] Sompong says: Ve school ja rahe hain? [8/25/2009 6:52:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ve school ja rahe hain. [8/25/2009 6:53:10 PM] Sompong says: I forgot word that...go...haha. [8/25/2009 6:54:22 PM] jayamurugank says: with .. main - hoon Aap - hu Woh - hai Ve - hain [8/25/2009 6:55:31 PM] Sompong says: Hum=hain [8/25/2009 6:55:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that ok Sompong [8/25/2009 6:55:48 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that fine [8/25/2009 6:55:54 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Theek hain [8/25/2009 6:55:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sab theek hain [8/25/2009 6:56:20 PM] Sompong says: achha hai [8/25/2009 6:56:49 PM] jayamurugank says: main - hoon - raha Aap - hu - rahe Woh - hai - raha (male), rahi (female) Ve - hain - rahe [8/25/2009 6:57:08 PM] jayamurugank says: I think this is correct? [8/25/2009 6:58:01 PM] Sompong says: Aap-rahe, Tum-rahe? [8/25/2009 6:59:46 PM] jayamurugank says: [8/9/2009 8:02:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hum market ja rahe hain. Main aur Sompong Hindi seekh rahe hain [8/25/2009 7:00:03 PM] jayamurugank says: With hum.... rahe [8/25/2009 7:00:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Main aur Sompong Hindi seekh rahe hain > I and Sompong are learning hindi. [8/25/2009 7:01:00 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: rahe is continuous tense [8/25/2009 7:01:19 PM] jayamurugank says: main - hoon - raha Aap - hu - rahe Woh - hai - raha (male), rahe (female) Hum - hain -rahe Ve - hain - rahe [8/25/2009 7:01:26 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Badal (cloud ) aa rahe hain. [8/25/2009 7:02:41 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aap Kaha Ja rahe ho. [8/25/2009 7:02:58 PM] jayamurugank says: where are you going = Aap Kaha Ja rahe ho. [8/25/2009 7:03:17 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein nahin ja raha hoon. [8/25/2009 7:03:27 PM] jayamurugank says: I am not going [8/25/2009 7:03:44 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Woh accha ladka nahin hain. [8/25/2009 7:04:04 PM] jayamurugank says: He is not good boy [8/25/2009 7:04:11 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Woh acchai Ladki hain. [8/25/2009 7:04:26 PM] jayamurugank says: she is not good girl. [8/25/2009 7:04:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: correct [8/25/2009 7:05:21 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ram mera dost hain. Woh kathin kam ko kar leta hain. [8/25/2009 7:05:26 PM] Sompong says: hoti=? [8/25/2009 7:05:37 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hoti for female [8/25/2009 7:05:50 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ram mera dost hain. Woh kathin kam ko kar leta hain. [8/25/2009 7:05:58 PM] Sompong says: What does it mean? [8/25/2009 7:06:08 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: which one Sompong [8/25/2009 7:06:09 PM] Sompong says: hot? [8/25/2009 7:06:13 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hoti? [8/25/2009 7:06:17 PM] Sompong says: :) [8/25/2009 7:06:21 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: its hota and hoti [8/25/2009 7:06:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: not hot [8/25/2009 7:06:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hota for musculine and hoti for female [8/25/2009 7:07:21 PM] Sompong says: What is that word meaning? [8/25/2009 7:07:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aap kaha chale gaye Jayam ji [8/25/2009 7:07:42 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/25/2009 7:07:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: hota. possession [8/25/2009 7:08:12 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: pls ask Bakshi ji he will explain you more on that hota and hoti [8/25/2009 7:08:28 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: [7:05:36 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ram mera dost hain. Woh kathin kam ko kar leta hain. [8/25/2009 7:08:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Jayam ji aap try karo . Isko [8/25/2009 7:08:57 PM] jayamurugank says: Ram is my my friend and he is working hard. [8/25/2009 7:09:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Ram is my friend and he can do hard work. [8/25/2009 7:09:49 PM] jayamurugank says: :O [8/25/2009 7:10:06 PM] Sompong says: :@ Martin [8/25/2009 7:10:10 PM] jayamurugank says: not familiar with... leta hain..... structure [8/25/2009 7:10:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: oh [8/25/2009 7:10:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sorry [8/25/2009 7:10:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sorry [8/25/2009 7:10:29 PM] jayamurugank says: okay [8/25/2009 7:10:39 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: its continuous tense [8/25/2009 7:10:40 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sorry [8/25/2009 7:11:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Maaf kar do ! Galti ho gaye (bow) [8/25/2009 7:11:38 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: try this [8/25/2009 7:12:04 PM] jayamurugank says: |-( [8/25/2009 7:12:17 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Sompong . why are you unpset with me ........try this . [8/25/2009 7:12:24 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Maaf kar do ! Galti ho gaye (bow) [8/25/2009 7:12:54 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Maaf=sorry . [8/25/2009 7:12:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: clue [8/25/2009 7:13:15 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ** Maaf=sorry . [8/25/2009 7:13:30 PM] jayamurugank says: Galti = ? [8/25/2009 7:13:35 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: galti =mistake [8/25/2009 7:14:03 PM] jayamurugank says: sorry I did mistakes. [8/25/2009 7:14:08 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: yes [8/25/2009 7:14:10 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: wow [8/25/2009 7:14:18 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: wow (clap) jayam [8/25/2009 7:14:28 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/25/2009 7:14:32 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK Good evening and Sorry, I had gone out for dinner. First thing- Accept my sincere appreciatons for all the hard work. All of you are doing very well [8/25/2009 7:14:50 PM] jayamurugank says: Good evening Naveet g :) [8/25/2009 7:15:14 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Now there is no word 'hu' [8/25/2009 7:15:17 PM] Sompong says: Namaste..Navneet ji [8/25/2009 7:15:18 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks for your appreciations.. [8/25/2009 7:15:32 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar ji [8/25/2009 7:15:48 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Bakshi Ji Namaskar (bow) [8/25/2009 7:16:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Secondly hai is singular and hai.n is plural except and only except when Aap is used as singular it hai.n will be used as singular. Now correct all ur above sentences where u used hi.n in place of hai [8/25/2009 7:17:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Namaskaar mitro [8/25/2009 7:17:22 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mitro = Friends [8/25/2009 7:17:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes, it was discussed in detail yesterday [8/25/2009 7:18:27 PM] Sompong says: Mitra=friend [8/25/2009 7:18:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: We have not discussed past or future tense yet [8/25/2009 7:18:49 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: sorry. I type some thing weird than [8/25/2009 7:18:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mitra- friend [8/25/2009 7:19:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Another thing we myself and Peter agreed that let's try to adhere to Itrans code for avoiding confusion of spellings [8/25/2009 7:20:02 PM] Sompong says: waaf=sorry [8/25/2009 7:20:46 PM] jayamurugank says: yes.. I read your conversation you had with Peter in the morning.. Navenet g [8/25/2009 7:21:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: maafa karna- to excuse someone for the mistake done [8/25/2009 7:21:46 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: does everyone have Itrans code for transliteration? [8/25/2009 7:21:55 PM] jayamurugank says: No I dont have it.. [8/25/2009 7:22:03 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: no I don't have [8/25/2009 7:22:16 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: from where we can down load [8/25/2009 7:22:29 PM] Sompong says: maafa karna=excuse me? [8/25/2009 7:22:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mujhe Maaf kar do . [8/25/2009 7:22:53 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Jay just make a quick search and get the link, otherwise I will send the word file attachment [8/25/2009 7:23:22 PM] jayamurugank says: okay.. I will do it.. [8/25/2009 7:23:44 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: that .doc file Bakshi sir [8/25/2009 7:24:18 PM] jayamurugank says: otherwise you can send it to me.. Naveneet g [8/25/2009 7:25:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: can't find the link. where is peter? Ok give me ur email ids, I will send u the word file [8/25/2009 7:26:14 PM] jayamurugank says: jayamurugank@hotmail.com [8/25/2009 7:26:21 PM] Sompong says: http://rs22.rapidshare.com/files/271132256/HindiWriter__ITRANS_Input_Method_Editor__1.4b.exe [8/25/2009 7:26:39 PM] Sompong says: What is site above? [8/25/2009 7:27:09 PM] jayamurugank says: I have to drop my uncle to the railway station....back right back in 30 mins.... sorry. [8/25/2009 7:27:14 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: ]:) that the email id of our friend Jayam [8/25/2009 7:27:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not this sompong, we discussed it yesterday [8/25/2009 7:27:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: martin and sompong what r ur email ids [8/25/2009 7:28:10 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: martinjacob_2009@yahoo.com [8/25/2009 7:28:31 PM] Sompong says: som.pong@hotmail.com [8/25/2009 7:30:52 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Abhi chek kar lo kya Bakshi ji [8/25/2009 7:31:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: check now [8/25/2009 7:31:32 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: mil gaye Bakshi ji. (bow) [8/25/2009 7:32:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- so from now on if we use this code there will b no confusion of spellings [8/25/2009 7:43:04 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: theek hain [8/25/2009 7:45:19 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: can anyone see my message here [8/25/2009 7:48:51 PM] Sompong says: It's not easy for me. [8/25/2009 7:53:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: brb [8/25/2009 7:53:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Ok- was attending to chat from home- I am back [8/25/2009 7:53:55 PM] Peter says: sabhii ko namaskaar [8/25/2009 7:54:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes martin I can see ur message [8/25/2009 7:54:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaskar [8/25/2009 7:54:16 PM] Lucka says: Namaste [8/25/2009 7:54:22 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaskaar [8/25/2009 7:54:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello Lucka [8/25/2009 7:54:50 PM] Lucka says: Hello Baksh aur Mart [8/25/2009 7:55:06 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaskaar peter [8/25/2009 7:55:56 PM] Lucka says: aap kaise han? [8/25/2009 7:56:29 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mein accha hoon. [8/25/2009 7:56:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shud it be namskaara peter- is the last 'a' necessary and I have put s without 'a' because actually sa is half in namaskaar [8/25/2009 7:56:47 PM] Peter says: ahhh... a moot point [8/25/2009 7:56:57 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kaise hai.n Lucka [8/25/2009 7:56:59 PM] Peter says: technically yes... [8/25/2009 7:57:16 PM] Lucka says: Main achi hoon. [8/25/2009 7:57:39 PM] Peter says: because a consonant without a vowel is a half-consonant [8/25/2009 7:57:52 PM] Lucka says: (whew) [8/25/2009 7:58:12 PM] Peter says: but most word endings don't pronounce it (I have been told) [8/25/2009 7:58:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: and it shud b written as mai.n achchhii hoo.n if we are going to follow itrans code [8/25/2009 7:58:42 PM] Lucka says: (whew) [8/25/2009 7:58:46 PM] Lucka says: hard Hindi [8/25/2009 7:59:00 PM] Lucka says: I must go... [8/25/2009 7:59:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: now Lucka is sweating Peter [8/25/2009 7:59:10 PM] Lucka says: namaste (wave) [8/25/2009 7:59:36 PM] Peter says: not really hard .. only a few letters/sounds are not what you may like them to be. [8/25/2009 7:59:47 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: No Lucka don't go- it's not all that scary [8/25/2009 8:00:47 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: it's for the benefit of u all that i have decided that i too will write in itrans code otherwise all is fine for me at least [8/25/2009 8:00:49 PM] Peter says: most things are one-letter = one-sound [8/25/2009 8:02:16 PM] Peter says: There is nothing new in it.. the only thing that is different is that there is a known reference for the spelling... just like in any language. [8/25/2009 8:02:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: अच्छा, अच्छी [8/25/2009 8:03:12 PM] Peter says: achchhaa, achchhii [8/25/2009 8:03:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Some where I saw in the history the word being discussed was 'hotaa' [8/25/2009 8:03:45 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hotaa is from the verb honaa [8/25/2009 8:04:02 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: which means to appen, to come to occur [8/25/2009 8:04:10 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: *happen [8/25/2009 8:04:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: paidaa hona- to be born [8/25/2009 8:06:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hoo.N [8/25/2009 8:08:33 PM] Peter says: so, it that a two-word verb? [8/25/2009 8:10:07 PM] Peter says: ah.. honaa is the verb.. and paidaa is the adverb.. (maybe) [8/25/2009 8:10:19 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: by itself honaa can't be used. they call these verbs as transitive verbs is it? [8/25/2009 8:10:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mujh se ye nahi.n hoga- I won't be able to do this [8/25/2009 8:10:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: mujh se ye kaam nahi.n hoga [8/25/2009 8:11:01 PM] Peter says: or intransitive... one type must have something following it... and the other does not. [8/25/2009 8:12:27 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: tumase kuchh nahii.n hota [8/25/2009 8:14:12 PM] Peter says: tumase kuchh nahii.n hota तुमसे कुछ नहीं होत ? [8/25/2009 8:14:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hotaa [8/25/2009 8:15:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: hogaa [8/25/2009 8:25:13 PM] Peter says: होगा hogaa 3rd person singular indicative.. of honaa.. [8/25/2009 8:25:39 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: future tense [8/25/2009 8:25:43 PM] Peter says: (masc) does hotaa mean "he will be.... [8/25/2009 8:25:58 PM] Peter says: indicating that he will be something... [8/25/2009 8:26:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: he will be ?? example? [8/25/2009 8:27:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no- he will do something- karegaa- from karanaa [8/25/2009 8:40:23 PM] Peter says: vah khaanaa hogaa he will eat [8/25/2009 8:43:21 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: vah khaanaa khayega- he will eat food. vah khayega- he will eat. vah khaanaa khataa hoga- He must be eating food. (Like if talking about what one might be doing at this moment) for this moment we say 'is samay or is waqt [8/25/2009 8:45:19 PM] jayamurugank says: [7:16:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Secondly hai is singular and hai.n is plural except and only except when Aap is used as singular it hai.n will be used as singular. Now correct all ur above sentences where u used hi.n in place of hai Aap kaisa hai (when we address this to one person) Aap kaisa hain (when we address to more than one) [8/25/2009 8:45:26 PM] jayamurugank says: correct? [8/25/2009 8:46:54 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Aap kaise ho or Tum kaise ho [8/25/2009 8:47:41 PM] jayamurugank says: Do we use the same ..when we address more than one person? [8/25/2009 8:48:27 PM] Peter says: aap kaise hai.n (singular) is respectful ? [8/25/2009 8:48:46 PM] jayamurugank says: nahin [8/25/2009 8:48:49 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Aap kaise hain or Aap sab kaise hain or aap log kaise ho? [8/25/2009 8:49:38 PM] jayamurugank says: got it [8/25/2009 8:49:43 PM] jayamurugank says: dhanyawaad [8/25/2009 8:50:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: brb [8/25/2009 9:00:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: sab means all and log means people [8/25/2009 9:01:13 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so sab or log signifies number [8/25/2009 9:03:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kaise hai.n (singular- respectful) [8/25/2009 9:26:35 PM] jayamurugank says: dhanyawaad navneet g [8/25/2009 9:28:20 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: OK- Jay- shesh kal pa.Deinge- It's midnight here. I have sent to you the Itrans code file [8/25/2009 9:28:36 PM] jayamurugank says: yes, I received it... thanks. [8/25/2009 9:28:51 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Good Night [8/25/2009 9:34:41 PM] jayamurugank says: (wave) bye [8/25/2009 10:52:27 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: good night [8/25/2009 10:52:28 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: bye [8/25/2009 11:07:10 PM] manoj says: Good night [8/25/2009 11:07:12 PM] manoj says: bye [8/26/2009 12:37:05 AM] *** jayamurugank ejected and banned activegirl83 from this chat *** [8/26/2009 12:37:23 AM] jayamurugank says: this id..wants to leave this page [8/26/2009 6:02:55 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: oh. that fine.If they want to leave that ok. Thanks activegirls83 being with us [8/26/2009 6:02:56 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: thanks [8/26/2009 6:02:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: you [8/26/2009 6:26:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: why have u banned activegirl Jaya? I have never seen her on chat anyway [8/26/2009 6:32:03 PM] Hovering_over says: looool [8/26/2009 6:33:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello Hoverin_over, still hovering or landed now? [8/26/2009 6:34:45 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Naveneet g, Hovering g and everyone! [8/26/2009 6:35:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Namaste Jaya [8/26/2009 6:36:22 PM] jayamurugank says: It seems Manoj added activegirl id here without her permission and she wanted to leave this page and I guess she is not aware of how to exit this page and Manoj wanted me to eject her... [8/26/2009 6:37:40 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Oh, I see Jay I thought there was some tiff among u on chat group [8/26/2009 6:38:04 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/26/2009 6:39:00 PM] jayamurugank says: by the way, I haven't chatted with that id yet.. if she wants to be here to learn Hindi ..she is always welcome. :) [8/26/2009 6:41:42 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aur sunao kaise ho- aaj chat forum mei.n zyaada activity nazar nahi.n aa rahii [8/26/2009 6:44:18 PM] jayamurugank says: main thheek hoon [8/26/2009 6:44:30 PM] jayamurugank says: nazar matlab? [8/26/2009 6:44:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: did u understand the rest of the sentence jay- nazar means sight [8/26/2009 6:45:41 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not much activity is seen on the chat forum [8/26/2009 6:45:47 PM] jayamurugank says: not much acitivity in chat forum forum for today? [8/26/2009 6:46:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: yes good [8/26/2009 6:46:10 PM] jayamurugank says: Mostly people are active in the evening hours .. [8/26/2009 6:46:30 PM] jayamurugank says: excpet on Saturdays and Sundays [8/26/2009 6:47:15 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so they come on chat when, it's time for me to go to bed  :) [8/26/2009 6:47:25 PM] Sompong says: This message has been removed [8/26/2009 6:47:27 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/26/2009 6:47:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: aap kitne baje office se wapis aate ho? [8/26/2009 6:48:03 PM] jayamurugank says: your time zone some four hours ahead of Indian time [8/26/2009 6:48:22 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: no 2-1/2 hours [8/26/2009 6:49:41 PM] jayamurugank says: Paanch baje mein office se wapis atta hoon [8/26/2009 6:50:30 PM] jayamurugank says: How can I say If I want to say it is 5.30 [8/26/2009 6:50:33 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: paanch baje mein office se wapis aataa hoon [8/26/2009 6:50:58 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: saa.De paanch [8/26/2009 6:51:28 PM] Sompong says: Namaste [8/26/2009 6:51:38 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Sompong g [8/26/2009 6:51:39 PM] Sompong says: I have a time lag. [8/26/2009 6:52:18 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste sompong [8/26/2009 6:52:26 PM] jayamurugank says: How can I say In case if it is... 5.15 or 5.45 [8/26/2009 6:52:31 PM] Sompong says: Could you see my messages above? [8/26/2009 6:52:50 PM] jayamurugank says: yes... sompong [8/26/2009 6:53:13 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so as per ITRANs it will be written as saa.Dhe Jaya [8/26/2009 6:53:53 PM] jayamurugank says: Sompong ...could you see our messages? [8/26/2009 6:54:22 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: saa.Dhe stands for half, paune stands for quarter to the hour and savaa stands for quarter past the hour [8/26/2009 6:55:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so how will you say 1615 hrs and 1745 hrs. [8/26/2009 6:57:05 PM] jayamurugank says: sollah.paune for 16.15 [8/26/2009 6:57:50 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shaam ke savaa chaar baje [8/26/2009 6:58:17 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shaam means evening [8/26/2009 6:59:01 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: you can also say shaam ko also [8/26/2009 7:00:16 PM] jayamurugank says: evening 4.15 = shaam ke savva chaar baje [8/26/2009 7:01:04 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: morning 0415- subha savaa chaar baje [8/26/2009 7:01:05 PM] jayamurugank says: evening 5.45 = sham ke pauna Paanch baje [8/26/2009 7:02:50 PM] jayamurugank says: Dont we need to use.. subha ke ..in the above sentence? [8/26/2009 7:04:09 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: where above- u can subha ke savaa chaar or subha savaa chaar [8/26/2009 7:04:28 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: baje ofcourse you always have to say [8/26/2009 7:04:48 PM] jayamurugank says: yes got it. [8/26/2009 7:05:56 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: shaam ko or shaam ke... we say but generally we don't use ko with subha [8/26/2009 7:06:34 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so how do you say 1735 hrs. [8/26/2009 7:07:43 PM] jayamurugank says: hard for me.. I am yet to familarise with numbers after 10 [8/26/2009 7:08:12 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: ok some other day about clocks then [8/26/2009 7:08:24 PM] 1nicechat says: namaste jaya :) [8/26/2009 7:08:36 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste zana g :) [8/26/2009 7:09:11 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: namaste zana ji [8/26/2009 7:09:44 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: gee [8/26/2009 7:09:49 PM] 1nicechat says: Navneet :) namaste [8/26/2009 7:10:20 PM] jayamurugank says: Do we need to be familar with numbers up to 60 to express time? [8/26/2009 7:12:04 PM] jayamurugank says: How are you zana? [8/26/2009 7:12:32 PM] 1nicechat says: fine thanks jaya :) how are you , [8/26/2009 7:12:43 PM] jayamurugank says: Fine too, thanks. [8/26/2009 7:12:46 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/26/2009 7:13:37 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: not really u can get away with saa.Dhe paune and savaa like say it is 1740 and if you don't want to be exact you can say paune chhe bajne wale hain and if you want to be exact then you can say paune chhe bajne mei.n bas paa.Nch minute rah gaye hain [8/26/2009 7:14:26 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: brb [8/26/2009 7:15:05 PM] 1nicechat says: yw jaya , how are you Navneet [8/26/2009 7:18:55 PM] jayamurugank says: saa.Dhe = 30 mins paune = 45 mis savaa = 15 mis [8/26/2009 7:38:05 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste ji to all of you. [8/26/2009 7:38:27 PM] jayamurugank says: Namaste Martin :) [8/26/2009 7:38:43 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: aap ke aaj kya lesson pada ?? [8/26/2009 7:38:51 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Jayam ji [8/26/2009 7:40:23 PM] jayamurugank says: today's lesson were about timings. [8/26/2009 7:40:34 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: theek hain ji [8/26/2009 7:41:06 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Mai Paune char baje aap ki ghar aa raha hoon. Aaj. [8/26/2009 7:41:14 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: pls translate this [8/26/2009 7:41:39 PM] jayamurugank says: This message has been removed [8/26/2009 7:42:29 PM] jayamurugank says: I am coming to your house at 4.45 [8/26/2009 7:42:54 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: YES [8/26/2009 7:42:57 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Today is birthday of great lady of all time MOTHER TERESA . HAPPY BIRTHDA TO HER [8/26/2009 7:45:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Paune chaar is quarter to five Jaya and I is mai.n Martin- Mai.n paune chaar baje aap ke ghar aa rahaa hoo.N aaj [8/26/2009 7:46:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: *Quarter to four Jaya [8/26/2009 7:47:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aaj India aur Pakistan ka cricket match hai savaa teen baje se. [8/26/2009 7:48:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Good [8/26/2009 7:48:45 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Namaste Bakshi ji [8/26/2009 7:49:41 PM] jayamurugank says: Today India-Pakistan cricket match is at 3.15 [8/26/2009 7:49:59 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: (clap) [8/26/2009 7:50:10 PM] jayamurugank says: :) [8/26/2009 7:51:46 PM] Martin from India (flag:in) says: Aaj India aur Pakistan ka cricket match hai savaa teen baje se. Aur ravivaar ko bhi hai. par paune dus baje [8/26/2009 7:52:35 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: excellent Jaya [8/26/2009 7:54:02 PM] jayamurugank says: Today India-Pakistan cricket match is at 3.15 and on sunday it is at 9.45 [8/26/2009 7:54:10 PM] jayamurugank says: thanks.. Naveent ji [8/26/2009 7:54:31 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: paune das is 9:45 [8/26/2009 7:55:00 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: paune is quarter to and savaa is fifteen minutes past an hour [8/26/2009 7:55:15 PM] jayamurugank says: got it .. [8/26/2009 9:34:15 PM] Sompong says: . [8/27/2009 7:33:44 AM] *** jayamurugank has changed the chat topic to "Learn Hindi from scratch ** +9900827044884586 **agala saptaah = next week** kathin = hard ** naya =new**bhule gaya = forgot**mujhe ek auto chaa-hi-ye = I need a auto** khara =stand**mat = don't**sardi = cold**Garmi= summer**Garam = hot**pauana" *** [8/27/2009 7:35:07 AM] *** jayamurugank has changed the chat topic to "Learn Hindi from scratch ** +9900827044884586 ** kathin = hard ** naya =new**bhule gaya = forgot**mujhe ek auto chaa-hi-ye = I need a auto** khara =stand**mat = don't**sardi = cold**Garmi= summer**Garam = hot**pauana=quarter**savaa = 15mis past an hour" *** [8/27/2009 7:36:06 AM] *** jayamurugank has changed the chat topic to "Learn Hindi from scratch ** +9900827044884586 ** kathin = hard ** naya =new**bhule gaya = forgot**mujhe ek auto chaa-hi-ye = I need a auto** khara =stand**mat = don't**sardi = cold**Garmi= summer**Garam = hot**pauana=quarter**savaa = 15mis past an hour" *** [8/27/2009 2:10:23 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello Peter, If you have a good Hindi-English dictionary or Hindi-hindi dictionary (as I see you very often referring to some) can you send me one or give me the link to download from. [8/27/2009 2:12:47 PM] Peter says: namaste Navneet [8/27/2009 2:13:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Hello [8/27/2009 2:13:29 PM] Peter says: Hindi-Hindi .. I'm not ready for that yet... [8/27/2009 2:13:30 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: Itrans is working fine here with me [8/27/2009 2:13:47 PM] Peter says: It's good to hear that. [8/27/2009 2:15:42 PM] Peter says: I have converted a plain text-only dictionary into html format, for reading in your web browser. [8/27/2009 2:16:29 PM] Peter says: The advantage of having it in the browser is the search capability.. ie. if you use Mozilla Firefox [8/27/2009 2:17:08 PM] Peter says: it is English-to-Hindi... [8/27/2009 2:17:21 PM] Peter says: and has English, ITRANS and Devanagari.. [8/27/2009 2:17:59 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: so how do u see the hindi words? [8/27/2009 2:18:29 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: I mean the meanings of the words I introduce [8/27/2009 2:18:45 PM] Peter says: yes [8/27/2009 2:18:52 PM] Peter sent file "english to hindi_(transliteration_and_devanagari)_UTF-8.html.zip" [8/27/2009 2:19:51 PM] Peter says: It took a long time to put it together... (I like it, but seldom use it).. It is really for a Hindi speaker to look up the meaning of an English word [8/27/2009 2:21:03 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: how do we write ksha, tra, gya in Itrans? code doesn't say- though I will figure out. It's really very easy to work with. Now I can put all what has been lying with me un-edited since years [8/27/2009 2:21:29 PM] Peter says: show me the devnag and I well convert it [8/27/2009 2:22:25 PM] Peter says: Hindi-to-English .. two good dictionaries... the first one is very detailed, but old; the second one is more recent. http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/platts/ http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/caturvedi/ [8/27/2009 2:22:55 PM] Navneet Bakshi says: क्षुद्र check the meaning of this